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Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« on: March 02, 2010, 05:03:22 PM »
 The idea of a charter school tailored to Hmong students has generated excitement among local Hmong educators and parents.

Proponents of the school say the struggles of Hmong students have been obscured by the academic successes of Asian students in general. Specialized teaching methods and lessons at the Yav Pem Suab Academy, they say, would help those children flourish.

But the pastor of a small Hmong church on 47th Avenue says the proposed school lumps together culturally different ethnic Hmong groups.

Sacramento's estimated 20,000 Hmong include White Hmong, Blue Hmong (some of whom don't spell it with an "H" and are also known as Green Hmong) and even Striped Hmong and Black Hmong.

The Rev. Txer Paul Vang of the 130-member Hmong Calvary Evangelism Center details differences in dialect, spelling and culture in a passionate letter to Sacramento City Unified Superintendent Jonathan Raymond. He charges that the proposed charter marginalizes the Blue Hmong-Green Hmong.

Raymond could not be reached for comment.

But board member Diana Rodriguez said: "I wasn't aware of that. I had heard there were different dialects."

Vang, who also is chairman of Mong Federation Inc., said Western missionaries translated "Mong Leng" as "Blue Hmong" and "Hmong Der" as "White Hmong."

"However, Blue Mong and White Mong are misleading terms and … must be ceased and discontinued," Vang wrote to the superintendent .

Vang, 55, said about 40 percent of the district's 3,000 Hmong children are Mong Leng, and if the Hmong language teachers speak Hmong Der dialect, "it will be confusing for our Mong Leng children, and we do not feel comfortable to study the Hmong Der Language."

Proponents of the charter school presented a revised proposal to Sacramento City Unified trustees during their Thursday board meeting.

They're asking for a five-year charter for their kindergarten-through-sixth-grade program that would open in the fall. The school board has until March 27 to accept or deny the petition.

The petition specifies, "Both the Hmong Der language (White Hmong) and the Hmong Leng language (Blue Hmong) will be taught."

And the school's name, Yav Pem Suab Academy (pronounced Yah Bay Shooa), means "preparing for the future" in Blue Hmong, said Vince Xiong, the front-runner for the principal's job at the charter. "It sounds good so we all agreed to it – it's recognizable in both White and Green Hmong," he said.

The academy will be open to students of all races, Xiong said, and Hmong language – taught in both dialects – will be offered to any student who's interested.

Hmong leaders acknowledge different dialects among ethnic groups, comparing them to the differences between Thai and Lao languages, or British and American English.

And each of the groups – including the Striped and Black Hmong – has distinct ceremonial garb.

Kathy May Ly, director of Sacramento Asian-American Inc., said she owns four traditional Hmong costumes: White, Blue, Striped and Hmong Chinese.

"I don't segregate – all Hmong are one," said Ly, whose parents speak Blue Hmong.

Lue Vang, who identifies as Blue Hmong/Green Hmong, said that in Laos, "somehow the White Hmong were the ones who dominated because they joined the French first."

Each group made fun of the other's dialect, but when the CIA forced Hmong jungle fighters into an anti-communist guerrilla army during the Vietnam War, "we blended," Lue Vang said.

"All Hmong kids are really behind in school, not only the Blue/Green ones," said Lue Vang. "They need both dialects – whoever teaches Hmong needs to be a master of both."


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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 05:10:50 PM »
So the problem is not wheather we would have a charter school for Hmong/Mong but more about what is Hmong Blue and Hmong White.  How easily topic changes when you don't be careful. >:(



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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 05:16:50 PM »
I'm sorry but Hmong peeps in Kali4nia fighting over a charter school is pretty dumb.  Now that we kinda blend into the mainstream society, just like the new years in Kali4nia, someone has to take a stab at it again.  United we must not stand because of our dialects.  So stupid!  White Hmong, Blue Mong, Stripe Hmong, Black Hmong....c'mon...we're all HMONG in the eyes of everyone else.  Isn't this how Hmong behaved in China too?  Grow up and go start your own school just like all the churches.  There so many branch of as with the churches....wh y not used that strategy and just built one that is Blue Mong, one that is Stripe Hmong and one that is Black Hmong.   ;D ;D ;D



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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2010, 05:21:46 PM »
So the problem is not wheather we would have a charter school for Hmong/Mong but more about what is Hmong Blue and Hmong White.  How easily topic changes when you don't be careful. >:(

I think these Hmong's have taken us back like 30 years with their stupid bickering. For someone to bicker about being a "different" kind of Hmong is really stupid. Trying to differ yourself by saying your Hmong Language, Last Name, or Origin is stupid. Those that say otherwise, need to be shipped back on a bus back to the Refugee Camps and exiled back to Laos.

On the school side, it's really stupid because most Hmongs have been here at least 10-30 years in this country. To open up a school for children that caters to their native tongue is a step back from where we need to be.

Opening up a school to teach English to these idiots that keep insisting on a school for children is what's really needed!



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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 06:01:45 PM »
Oh lord... please help us.



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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 06:07:04 PM »
All you these dogs and you PH dogs are barking at the WRONG tree.  Wake up and assess yourself before starting to comment the issue.  There issue isn't about White Hmong or Green Mong here....it's about these  barking dogs who are EGOTISTIC and claiming who owns the BONE here. DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR??



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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 06:15:25 PM »
I'm against charter schools in general especially if it's tailored to Hmongs but not for the reasons spelled out by the Rev.



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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 06:19:11 PM »
The idea of a charter school tailored to Hmong students has generated excitement among local Hmong educators and parents, whose children are some of the lowest achievers in the Sacramento City Unified School District.

Proponents of the school say the struggles of Hmong students have been obscured by the academic successes of Asian students in general. Specialized teaching methods and lessons at the Yav Pem Suab Academy, they say, would help those children flourish.

But the pastor of a small Hmong church on 47th Avenue says the proposed school lumps together culturally different ethnic Hmong groups.

Sacramento's estimated 20,000 Hmong include White Hmong, Blue Hmong (some of whom don't spell it with an "H" and are also known as Green Hmong) and even Striped Hmong and Black Hmong.

The Rev. Txer Paul Vang of the 130-member Hmong Calvary Evangelism Center details differences in dialect, spelling and culture in a passionate letter to Sacramento City Unified Superintendent Jonathan Raymond. He charges that the proposed charter marginalizes the Blue Hmong-Green Hmong.

Raymond could not be reached for comment.

But board member Diana Rodriguez said: "I wasn't aware of that. I had heard there were different dialects."

Vang, who also is chairman of Mong Federation Inc., said Western missionaries translated "Mong Leng" as "Blue Hmong" and "Hmong Der" as "White Hmong."

"However, Blue Mong and White Mong are misleading terms and … must be ceased and discontinued," Vang wrote to the superintendent .

Vang, 55, said about 40 percent of the district's 3,000 Hmong children are Mong Leng, and if the Hmong language teachers speak Hmong Der dialect, "it will be confusing for our Mong Leng children, and we do not feel comfortable to study the Hmong Der Language."

Proponents of the charter school presented a revised proposal to Sacramento City Unified trustees during their Thursday board meeting.

They're asking for a five-year charter for their kindergarten-through-sixth-grade program that would open in the fall. The school board has until March 27 to accept or deny the petition.

The petition specifies, "Both the Hmong Der language (White Hmong) and the Hmong Leng language (Blue Hmong) will be taught."

And the school's name, Yav Pem Suab Academy (pronounced Yah Bay Shooa), means "preparing for the future" in Blue Hmong, said Vince Xiong, the front-runner for the principal's job at the charter. "It sounds good so we all agreed to it – it's recognizable in both White and Green Hmong," he said.

The academy will be open to students of all races, Xiong said, and Hmong language – taught in both dialects – will be offered to any student who's interested.

Hmong leaders acknowledge different dialects among ethnic groups, comparing them to the differences between Thai and Lao languages, or British and American English.

And each of the groups – including the Striped and Black Hmong – has distinct ceremonial garb.

Kathy May Ly, director of Sacramento Asian-American Inc., said she owns four traditional Hmong costumes: White, Blue, Striped and Hmong Chinese.

"I don't segregate – all Hmong are one," said Ly, whose parents speak Blue Hmong.

Lue Vang, who identifies as Blue Hmong/Green Hmong, said that in Laos, "somehow the White Hmong were the ones who dominated because they joined the French first."

Each group made fun of the other's dialect, but when the CIA forced Hmong jungle fighters into an anti-communist guerrilla army during the Vietnam War, "we blended," Lue Vang said.

"All Hmong kids are really behind in school, not only the Blue/Green ones," said Lue Vang. "They need both dialects – whoever teaches Hmong needs to be a master of both."


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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 06:26:21 PM »
This is so stupid.  Instead of focusing on the youth gangs, gambling, drugs and husband killing wives situation, you want to write a letter and shut down a school because you are white and the school is green? Pathetic.



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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2010, 06:55:50 PM »
All you these dogs and you PH dogs are barking at the WRONG tree.  Wake up and assess yourself before starting to comment the issue.  There issue isn't about White Hmong or Green Mong here....it's about these  barking dogs who are EGOTISTIC and claiming who owns the BONE here. DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR??

Really, this argument is as stupid and retarded as an American complaining about being taught by a English or Aussie Teacher.

I'm a "Striped" Hmong who is married to a "Mong Leng" and I find this guy who's complaining about being "Mong Leng" and being taught by a Hmong "Der" really stupid. I have sisters that married "Hmong Leng" and "Hmong Der" people and we don't have a problem with it.

This idiot doesn't realize that most of our grammar is from other languages, Laotian, Thai, and Chinese, just like English is taken from many languages.

But seriously, I think it's just prejudice on his part and I think these old folks need to quit speaking for us younger folks. It's not like these old folks are going to contribute to the Hmongs or Society but rather milk the government for Non-Profit Organization and Special Programs money, in the name of "Hmongs".




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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2010, 09:48:22 PM »
Can I remind you all that most of these under achieving Hmong kids were born and raise in the States and don't even speak Hmong?  And, trust me, they don't give a rat if they are Blue, green, white or striped.  Who is this pastor anyways?  Never heard of him. 



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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2010, 10:29:53 PM »
I scratch my head and ask WTF?  As somone pointed out if these kids learn any Hmong it would have been succesful.  Somone should send this stupid Rev. that Dr. Sueuss book about those with the Stars and those without Stars.  Instead of embracing and making sure the Hmongs in Sac can get a charter school people are ready to tear this down before it even gets off the ground.

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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2010, 11:34:11 PM »
This school was passionately planned from teachers, students, and community members who were concerned about the well being of our students.  Now that it is taking shape, some guy that was not there from day one is complaining that he wants a piece of the pie, too. 

Even as a Hmong charter school, English will still be spoken and I'm sure lessons will still be in English.  Not white, green, blue or stripe. 



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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2010, 11:36:52 PM »
That statement is true.  I have seen some confidential numbers from the school district and that statement is not an exaggeration but the truth. 



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Re: Sacramento's Hmong community divided over charter school
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2010, 04:10:17 AM »
The Hmong people have been going about education the wrong way. Rather than implement charter schools that eventually start doing all the things that a public school is already doing anyways, why don't they establish after-school learning centers where kids can really get the specific help they need. If a student doesn't understand a subject, they can get help specifically for that. Won't mention the names of Hmong charter schools but they aren't really making that big of a difference. They become just like any other public school a child attends.

Start being smart like some other immigrants. Target specific weaknesses and get tutoring to help them overcome those weaknesses.

Of course, it probably is a funding issue. The state might not fund a learning center. Other Asian parents have the funds to pay private tutors.   



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