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« on: June 22, 2010, 06:56:09 PM » |
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Anyone heard of this organization? It's supposedly based in Fresno, and what they're advocating is changes in the Hmong culture. The one issue that caught my attention was they're trying to 'legalize' same clan marriage. Other topics were no more marriage dowries, downsize the funerals because everyone knows no one besides the immediate family really cares or gets involved.
Hmmm, instead of legalizing same clan marriages, they should instead advocate making it a crime/taboo to marry your 1st or 2nd cousins from different clans.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2010, 10:25:34 PM » |
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i think a lot of their beliefs are merely compromises and adjustments to make things easier and more appealing, in terms of it being a widely accepted religion.
sounds very appealing in many ways, but has no track record, and seems to be made up. more like a cult rather than a religion. no real and solid evidence
to back up their claims for doing the things they do.
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2010, 11:05:03 PM » |
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and i bet it starts with hmoob leeg first...
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2010, 12:11:38 PM » |
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Never heard of the organization before. Interesting that they aren't forming the organization to promote and preserve Hmong culture but rather that they formed it to get rid of some of our traditions. Are they soon going to call themselves nonHmong, too?
The Hmong do not want to be viewed as a close-minded, intolerable group of people.
But we still must remember that we have to have certain traditions or else we are no longer a culture.
I am strongly against same-clan marriage. I do not see any need for it.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2010, 12:11:59 PM » |
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and i bet it starts with hmoob leeg first...
It's not nice to point fingers.  |
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2010, 12:13:08 PM » |
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Anyone heard of this organization? It's supposedly based in Fresno, and what they're advocating is changes in the Hmong culture. The one issue that caught my attention was they're trying to 'legalize' same clan marriage. Other topics were no more marriage dowries, downsize the funerals because everyone knows no one besides the immediate family really cares or gets involved.
Hmmm, instead of legalizing same clan marriages, they should instead advocate making it a crime/taboo to marry your 1st or 2nd cousins from different clans.
I agree. I see reasons in that. |
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2010, 12:13:52 PM » |
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i think a lot of their beliefs are merely compromises and adjustments to make things easier and more appealing, in terms of it being a widely accepted religion.
sounds very appealing in many ways, but has no track record, and seems to be made up. more like a cult rather than a religion. no real and solid evidence
to back up their claims for doing the things they do.
Do you think this might be one of those like the Ban Vinai White House at Camp 3 back in the late 70's and early 80's? |
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2010, 06:50:18 PM » |
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i know no offense but just laying it out there...becaus e everything always starts out with hmoob leeg idea of doing this and that first...puas tau hnov cov laus hais thaum ub cem "leeg txias leeg txwv, ya nqias ya nqws.." It's not nice to point fingers.   |
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2010, 07:25:32 PM » |
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i know no offense but just laying it out there...becaus e everything always starts out with hmoob leeg idea of doing this and that first...puas tau hnov cov laus hais thaum ub cem " leeg txias leeg txwv, ya ncias ya ncws.." Not sure what that means. Care to translate or explain? Thanks. |
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2010, 03:20:33 PM » |
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Not sure what that means. Care to translate or explain? Thanks.
from hnov cov laus cem thiab txais mas.."leeg txias leeg txwv, ya nqias ya nqw" txhais tias as a metaphor "Yam dabsi Nqias lawm ces hmoob leeg txua rau, yam tug tsi tsis nyog ua los hmoob leeg txwv com ua" something like that..tsis tau paub lus tseem ntsiab tiag tiag thiab..tseem nyoog kom tob tshaj no thiab mas qhia rau koj paub.. |
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2010, 05:06:57 PM » |
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OK. Thanks. I understand the expression now but I don't know if I agree that what it claims is true. from hnov cov laus cem thiab txais mas.."leeg txias leeg txwv, ya nqias ya nqw"
txhais tias
as a metaphor
"Yam dabsi Nqias lawm ces hmoob leeg txua rau, yam tug tsi tsis nyog ua los hmoob leeg txwv com ua" something like that..tsis tau paub lus tseem ntsiab tiag tiag thiab..tseem nyoog kom tob tshaj no thiab mas qhia rau koj paub..
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2010, 09:10:53 PM » |
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Do you think this might be one of those like the Ban Vinai White House at Camp 3 back in the late 70's and early 80's?
What is the story behind that scenario? |
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2010, 02:38:07 PM » |
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I think their office is located across from my bank. I remember seeing big writings that read "Something-Something-Hmoob Ntxwv" on it.
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2010, 03:25:41 PM » |
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Anyone heard of this organization? It's supposedly based in Fresno, and what they're advocating is changes in the Hmong culture. The one issue that caught my attention was they're trying to 'legalize' same clan marriage. Other topics were no more marriage dowries, downsize the funerals because everyone knows no one besides the immediate family really cares or gets involved.
Hmmm, instead of legalizing same clan marriages, they should instead advocate making it a crime/taboo to marry your 1st or 2nd cousins from different clans.
marrying your 1st cousin is not taboo but marrying the same clan is.. |
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