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« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2010, 11:42:59 PM »

VP has constituents in the district!

True that Hmong votes alone won't be enough. But taking away Hmong votes can be detrimental.



Hmong votes are important in any election, but for the East Side Hmong votes isn't the determining factor for who loses and who wins.  You see, in the last election for Senator Mee Moua, only about 200 Hmong people went and vote for her in the primary.  Even if VP has constituents in D67, that doesn't mean that they all would and should support the same candidate.  People need to make their own minds and wake up to their own interest and vote for who they individually feel is the best candidate for the East Side and not because VP said so. 
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« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2010, 12:24:34 AM »

Hmong votes are important in any election, but for the East Side Hmong votes isn't the determining factor for who loses and who wins.  You see, in the last election for Senator Mee Moua, only about 200 Hmong people went and vote for her in the primary.  Even if VP has constituents in D67, that doesn't mean that they all would and should support the same candidate.  People need to make their own minds and wake up to their own interest and vote for who they individually feel is the best candidate for the East Side and not because VP said so. 

Any candidate who is serious about winning this primary, needs to reach beyond their local grass root supporters.  I hope that the Hmong candidates are reaching out to other communities and that other non-Hmong candidates are courting the Hmong community as well. 

As for VP's constituents--can his opinion in this election be taken seriously?  Come on!  If you need to rely on VP to tell you who to vote for, then perhaps you should be not voting in the first place.  Lacking the capacity to vote is what it's called.  VP is free to endorse and support whoever he wishes, but you as the voter should do your own research and due diligence as to who you vote for. 

By the way, I get annoyed by those that do not vote and complain later on.   knuppel2
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« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2010, 02:14:17 PM »

Any candidate who is serious about winning this primary, needs to reach beyond their local grass root supporters.  I hope that the Hmong candidates are reaching out to other communities and that other non-Hmong candidates are courting the Hmong community as well. 

As for VP's constituents--can his opinion in this election be taken seriously?  Come on!  If you need to rely on VP to tell you who to vote for, then perhaps you should be not voting in the first place.  Lacking the capacity to vote is what it's called.  VP is free to endorse and support whoever he wishes, but you as the voter should do your own research and due diligence as to who you vote for. 

By the way, I get annoyed by those that do not vote and complain later on.   knuppel2

Amen.  Way to put it. You are a true progressive.
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« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2010, 03:41:38 PM »

It's sh^t like this that promotes the clan-based approach to supporting causes. The way I see it, all the Hmong candidates are screwed because, obviously, this mindset is stiil going on. Perhaps voting for a non-hmong is in the best interest of the Hmong community because no one will win. That way, Hmong people won't feel that one clan is "better" than the other.

Oh, I have the right to vote for anyone I like.  I'm trying to convince Andro to also vote for the one I like. Nothing wrong with that. Why do you expect me to vote for the one you like? And you say that the one you like is more appropriate for me to vote for? Well, then that is exactly the reason why I feel Andro should join me in voting for the one I like.
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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2010, 03:46:42 PM »

Did you know that many voters are so uninformed that they do not even know they have the power to vote their way? Actually, lilipolitician is saying that my interest to conspire to vote my way is not appropriate. What's he telling me? The freedom of choice, freedom to vote for whom I believe is the right candidate for me and for the people near me--that is my right. He has that right for his, too.

Any candidate who is serious about winning this primary, needs to reach beyond their local grass root supporters.  I hope that the Hmong candidates are reaching out to other communities and that other non-Hmong candidates are courting the Hmong community as well. 

As for VP's constituents--can his opinion in this election be taken seriously?  Come on!  If you need to rely on VP to tell you who to vote for, then perhaps you should be not voting in the first place.  Lacking the capacity to vote is what it's called.  VP is free to endorse and support whoever he wishes, but you as the voter should do your own research and due diligence as to who you vote for. 

By the way, I get annoyed by those that do not vote and complain later on.   knuppel2
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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2010, 03:48:56 PM »



Actually, I can't speak for R because he might vote for Chai Lee.  You know how Hmong people are.   Wink

 knuppel2 knuppel2 knuppel2 knuppel2

Well, if Chai Lee matters most for the East Siders, then he'll get my vote.  But he must convince me of that.
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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2010, 04:57:47 PM »

Did you know that many voters are so uninformed that they do not even know they have the power to vote their way? Actually, lilipolitician is saying that my interest to conspire to vote my way is not appropriate. What's he telling me? The freedom of choice, freedom to vote for whom I believe is the right candidate for me and for the people near me--that is my right. He has that right for his, too.


That's disenfranchise ment.  That's also why they say knowledge is power.  I'm not up there to see first hand how these Hmong candidates are going with their campaign and promoting public awareness, but I hope they are passionate and determined to go out and educate people, especially elder Hmong folks about their RIGHT to vote.  With so much at stake, it's not even a right anymore.  It's more of a duty. 

Lilopolitician is right to a certain point.  There's a way how to sway without making it so obvious.  Look how much candidates spend on campaign smear ads.  Are they saying "vote for me?"  No, they are out to discredit the other opponent, which they hope will lead to favorable votes on their behalf.  Endorsements are also key, too.  I'm usually curious to see what kind of endorsements the candidate(s) have received.  Even if I'm not familiar with the candidates, but familiar with his/her endorser such as Teachers' unions or interests groups, that already speaks a lot already about their positions on issues. 

Candidates and voters can try to sway each other all they want.  But when election day comes, you are walking alone into that voting booth.  Don't do what you think is right, but do the right thing.  (And the right thing is to vote for whomever Andro is voting for, ok?)  Wink
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« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2010, 04:59:45 PM »

knuppel2 knuppel2 knuppel2 knuppel2

Well, if Chai Lee matters most for the East Siders, then he'll get my vote.  But he must convince me of that.


According to lilopolitician, he has your vote by default.  Thanks to the clan system. 

Dang!  How come non of my clansmen are represented?  Hopefully next time we'll have 18 different Hmong running and I can vote for my clansmen/women.   ThumbUp
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« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2010, 09:10:06 PM »

Did you know that many voters are so uninformed that they do not even know they have the power to vote their way? Actually, lilipolitician is saying that my interest to conspire to vote my way is not appropriate. What's he telling me? The freedom of choice, freedom to vote for whom I believe is the right candidate for me and for the people near me--that is my right. He has that right for his, too.


True, I am only opposing the "conspiring" part because I interpreted it to mean you plan to play an influence on another person's right to vote; get them to vote for the person YOU find most appealing. Choice of words here...campaig ning is essentially trying to convince people to vote for a candidate you believe in, but you allow them to exercise the decision on their own will. Conspiring (to me) means you are out for your own ambition...
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« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2010, 09:15:54 PM »

According to lilopolitician, he has your vote by default.  Thanks to the clan system. 

Dang!  How come non of my clansmen are represented?  Hopefully next time we'll have 18 different Hmong running and I can vote for my clansmen/women.   ThumbUp

I thought I said I opposed the clan system? Reporter seems to be supporting Foung, anyways... I am in support of either Chai Lee or Vang Lor because I believe that they will bring a new voice to the senate. I was leaning Chai earlier on, but I haven't seen him at functions, so I don't know how his reasonings. Foung and Cha seem to do what's popular, as a opposed to what is right. Am I wrong?
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« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2010, 10:54:02 PM »

I thought I said I opposed the clan system? Reporter seems to be supporting Foung, anyways... I am in support of either Chai Lee or Vang Lor because I believe that they will bring a new voice to the senate. I was leaning Chai earlier on, but I haven't seen him at functions, so I don't know how his reasonings. Foung and Cha seem to do what's popular, as a opposed to what is right. Am I wrong?

I'm not in a position to give my feedback and unbiased opinion regarding the candidates because I haven't seen or met any personally.    Undecided  I'm sure the voters of East Side know who will represent their best interests at the capitol. 
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« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2010, 04:59:39 PM »

True, I am only opposing the "conspiring" part because I interpreted it to mean you plan to play an influence on another person's right to vote; get them to vote for the person YOU find most appealing. Choice of words here...campaig ning is essentially trying to convince people to vote for a candidate you believe in, but you allow them to exercise the decision on their own will. Conspiring (to me) means you are out for your own ambition...

Oh, I'd like andro to vote for the candidate I want. Wouldn't you want your friends to vote for your candidate, too? Of course, you do.
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« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2010, 05:00:21 PM »

According to lilopolitician, he has your vote by default.  Thanks to the clan system. 

Dang!  How come non of my clansmen are represented?  Hopefully next time we'll have 18 different Hmong running and I can vote for my clansmen/women.   ThumbUp

How did you conclude that I'd vote by default? I have a mind. I have knowledge. I don't just vote; I vote conscientiousl y!
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« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2010, 05:04:20 PM »

Tactics vary. The best is the easiest for voters to remember.

Foung says "Vote Foung!" He doesn't discredit the other candidates at all.

When Mee Moua was running, Mee's motto was: One Vote for Mee is One Vote for You!

How different is Me and Mee? Voting for Mee is voting for me. So you vote for her and it means you vote for yourself. Isn't that clever? Voters rushed to the booths knowing they only had to remember to vote for themselves.  

That's disenfranchise ment.  That's also why they say knowledge is power.  I'm not up there to see first hand how these Hmong candidates are going with their campaign and promoting public awareness, but I hope they are passionate and determined to go out and educate people, especially elder Hmong folks about their RIGHT to vote.  With so much at stake, it's not even a right anymore.  It's more of a duty.  

Lilopolitician is right to a certain point.  There's a way how to sway without making it so obvious.  Look how much candidates spend on campaign smear ads.  Are they saying "vote for me?"  No, they are out to discredit the other opponent, which they hope will lead to favorable votes on their behalf.  Endorsements are also key, too.  I'm usually curious to see what kind of endorsements the candidate(s) have received.  Even if I'm not familiar with the candidates, but familiar with his/her endorser such as Teachers' unions or interests groups, that already speaks a lot already about their positions on issues.  

Candidates and voters can try to sway each other all they want.  But when election day comes, you are walking alone into that voting booth.  Don't do what you think is right, but do the right thing.  (And the right thing is to vote for whomever Andro is voting for, ok?)  Wink
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« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2010, 05:07:23 PM »

Foung and I are not of the same clan. So, you are either wrong that I support Foung (if I am deemed to support my clan), or that I will default to my clan (if I am deemed to support Foung).

Any of these candidates will bring fresh voice to the Senate. Only Mee Moua will not be a new, fresh voice there!

I thought I said I opposed the clan system? Reporter seems to be supporting Foung, anyways... I am in support of either Chai Lee or Vang Lor because I believe that they will bring a new voice to the senate. I was leaning Chai earlier on, but I haven't seen him at functions, so I don't know how his reasonings. Foung and Cha seem to do what's popular, as a opposed to what is right. Am I wrong?
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