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Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
by Laura Yuen, Minnesota Public Radio
August 17, 2010


St. Paul, Minn. — The upcoming retirements of St. Paul lawmakers Mee
Moua and Cy Thao means there won't be a Hmong legislator at the
Capitol next session -- for the first time in about nine years.


Last week, four candidates of Hmong descent tried to succeed Moua in
the DFL primary election on St. Paul's East Side, but they lost to
former St. Paul Police Chief John Harrington.


Some political watchers predict it could be a while before the next
Hmong-American is elected to the Legislature.


Pakou Hang and Tou Ger Xiong are well-known activists in Hmong-
American DFL circles. They're both in their 30s, college-educated, and
worked on Mee Moua's campaign several years ago.


In the race for Moua's Senate seat, both Hang and Xiong scribbled down
the breakdown of the election results, and couldn't resist doing the
math.


"That's what he won by, and this is all four of them combined," Hang
says, pointing out that John Harrington, an African-American, won the
DFL nomination with 31 percent of the vote in a nine-way race. The
ballots cast for the four Hmong-American candidates totaled 42
percent.


Xiong believes if the Hmong community would have unified behind one
candidate, as some pushed for during the campaign, that contender may
have stood a chance of winning. Xiong believes Harrington was a
formidable candidate, but says the former police chief didn't have to
campaign nearly as hard as his opponents.


"I didn't think he did much. Strategically speaking, if I were him, I
wouldn't do anything, either. I mean, I'm running against four Hmong
candidates who are going to take each other's votes," Xiong said. "So
I don't think John Harrington won the primary. I think we, as the
Hmong community, lost."


But neither Xiong or Pakou Hang think consolidating the Hmong vote was
the answer, and they say the fact that four Hmong candidates got into
the ring is a sign of political vibrancy in their community. Both
activists supported different candidates.


Hang knows a bit about grassroots campaigns, and about "descriptive
representation" -- the idea that candidates who look like their
constituents should be elected to serve them. Hang ran unsuccessfully
three years ago for a seat on the St. Paul City Council.


She said the two Hmong state lawmakers were an inspiration.


"When people saw Mee Moua or Cy Thao, they said, 'If those people can
be elected officials, I can, too.' In that way, it's sad that we won't
have someone like that," Hang said.


Yet Hang said she's not losing sleep over last week's primary. She
said it's more important that elected officials share her values,
rather than her ethnic background.


Both Hang and Xiong say they're encouraged by other measures of
political engagement in their community. They recall just a decade
ago, when they were making calls to rouse the Hmong electorate while
working on Mee Moua's campaign.


"Before, people didn't have any idea: 'What do I bring? Do I need an
ID? Where do I go? Can I go by myself? Do I need a translator?'" Xiong
said. "This time around, a lot of non-English speaking elders said,
'Yeah, I know where to go. I know how to mark the boxes.'"


And it's not just the elders who are becoming politically savvy. Xiong
says he was excited to see so many Hmong-American teen-agers wearing T-
shirts supporting the various candidates leading up to the East Side
primary.


One of the candidates, 23-year-old Chai Lee, even had some help from a
pair of local Hmong-American hip-hop artists.


Lee, a recent college graduate and youngest of the candidates,
received the second-highest number of votes.


Hang, who worked on Lee's campaign, says this is just the beginning of
Hmong-American politics. And she says the youthfulness of the
candidates represents a break from what some refer to as "homeland
politics," which favor a candidate's ties to clan elders or even to
former military General Vang Pao. Candidate Vang Lor, for instance,
claimed to have the support of the former military leader, who lives
in California.


"Tuesday definitively said this is the new game. If you want to be a
Hmong leader, this is the way you do it. It's no longer about backroom
deals. It's no longer about being anointed. It's about working hard,
mobilizing a base, and turning them out," Hang said.


But others caution that it could be a while before another Hmong-
American is elected to the state Legislature. Roy Magnuson is active
in St. Paul DFL politics, and he doesn't see any likely vacancies
emerging in the areas that are home to strong Hmong populations.


"This is an interesting time. It's a high-water mark, and it may go
next year back to a low-water mark. So that's the other part of the
story," Magnuson said.


On the other hand, DFL primary winners John Harrington and Rena Moran
appear likely to succeed Mee Moua and Cy Thao in these heavily DFL
districts.


And if they win the general election, they would make history as the
first African-American state lawmakers to represent St. Paul.





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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2010, 11:22:58 AM »
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.  O0



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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2010, 11:27:51 AM »
To little to late. :P Have a feeling it won't change either. :-\



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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2010, 12:33:12 PM »
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Bro ib nyuag lig zog lawm ua cas sawv daws ho tsis nco ib nyuag xav es xaiv 1 tug ntawd lawv 4 leeg mus xeem nrog lwm haiv neeg seb puas yuav yeej ned.......   Txawm mus 4 leeg los yeej zoo kawg nkaus uas muaj cov neeg muaj peev xwm ntag tiam sis yus Hmoob tsawg tsawg heev yog tseem muab faib ua 4 pab pawg li no lawm ces pes tsawg zaus los yus yeej yuav swb mus li nawb.....!

Yog sawv daws xav ib yam txawm leej twg tau los yog Hmoob es yuav muaj 10 - 20 leej xav los khiav ua nom tswv los sawv daws tawm tib lub suab ua ib nqag xaiv tus muaj peev xwm tshaj plaws mus khiav nrog lwm haiv neeg mas peb thiaj yuav muaj yeej...... 

Txawm swb zaum no lawm los txhob nyuaj siab nws yog ib qho kev kawm rau yus haiv neeg xwb cia lwm zaus mam rov mus sib tw dua....!



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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2010, 02:01:04 PM »
bro leejnushmoob, lawv yeej paub thaum xub thawj lawm hais tias yog 4 leeg lawm ces yuav sib txeeb faib pej xeem tej npav lawm. .. Peb Hmoob tseem hluas heev txog kev ua tseev tsim (kas moos). Peb kuj nyob lub teb chaws ywj pheej ywj siab ywj ntsws lawm thiab. Ces yus muaj peev xwm ces yus dhia mus sib tw xwb. Tsis hais txog qhov tias cia ib tug Hmoob yeej rau sawv daws.  


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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2010, 02:56:34 PM »
I agreed w/ Touger Xiong..if there were less hmong candidates, say one as he propose, the seat could very well be filled by a hmong person.




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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2010, 03:17:52 PM »
Kuv tsis nyob MN ces tsis paub xaiv leejtwg but a hmong voice is better than none.



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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2010, 03:50:17 PM »
tej zaum yuav tsi yog tim 4 leej kwv npawg mus Xeem nrog yawg Hlob dub.  Tsi yog 4 leeg muab hmoob sib faib ua 4 phuv lawm.  Yog leej twg tseem xav lis no. You only see your own feet.    Dont' waste your time and $$ my fellow hmong.   You just don't eat this way.

If you are the best candidate, you should win.  HMONg and other races will vote for you.

we have to dig deeper and farther.  In addition, a simple suggestion for the future cadidates is to stop by at Mount Airy and look toward East.  If you cannot see the entire east side and plus others... you can stop.    

God bless everyone!  




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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2010, 09:59:43 PM »
Nco qab ntsoov teb mekas no lam tias vajhuam sib luag........  Tsov tsis lam tom tsov.... Luag cov neeg tsis lam xaiv yus tus me dub hau qig qig taub no los ua lawv tus thawj coj yog yus tsis pab yus ua ntej ok.....   



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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2010, 10:44:32 PM »
hmoob ces yeej zoo li no los mas....offer ib nyuag qho high rank position rau xwb ces sib tog tuag taj rau qhov nyuag position....ye ebncua tsis thas siv dag zog li las as.  nyias tsis txo nyias hwjchim, nyias tsuas khav nyias ntse ces thaum kawg suav daws swb taj.



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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2010, 10:48:24 PM »
Nco qab ntsoov teb mekas no lam tias vajhuam sib luag........  Tsov tsis lam tom tsov.... Luag cov neeg tsis lam xaiv yus tus me dub hau qig qig taub no los ua lawv tus thawj coj yog yus tsis pab yus ua ntej ok.....   

yog los mas yawg, saib Obama xwb mas, lam tau nom xwb tiamsis tus meskas no hais lus txiav nws tas lis thaum sib tham nrog Obama thiab yeej ua laj ua ntxeev nrhiav txhua yam tsis zoo txog Obama nthuav tawm rau neeg paub li tiag.



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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2010, 02:42:54 PM »
it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if there's 4 different hmong candidates running for the same office, that the math just doesn't add up.
but it was more then just that, these four candidates were complete nobodies esp. compared to harrington-ex stp police chief.



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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2010, 04:06:17 PM »
Even we Californians are feeling this blow, too.   :(



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Re: Hmong leaders consider value of identity politics after losing seats
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2010, 04:33:46 PM »
I believed if it was less than 4 Hmong candiates running and maybe just 2 then maybe one of the Hmong candiate will probably get the seat but to have 4 of them competing and then at the same time you got the Hmong community who is only to vote by not seeing who is a better fit for the seat but by claiming or helping his or her own just by the last name.  Our Hmong people really got many issues just dealing with our 18 clan last name that make it to the point where Hmong tsis si hlub thiab si paub because they only want to go with the last name thing......... .  We already have enough issues with the General just being a Vang and then we got people who don't respect or care because they said it just a Vang thing......... ..........



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