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Is the bible Reliable through history?
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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2010, 02:04:27 AM »
So this guy is your god then ?  you rather believe in this man then the book which was written thousands of years ago by hundreds of men...?



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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2010, 12:06:04 PM »
So this guy is your god then ?  you rather believe in this man then the book which was written thousands of years ago by hundreds of men...?

     It's like the game of telephone...af ter awhile the true meaning gets lots in the translation.



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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2010, 01:47:58 PM »
If we can't know something, suppose 2,000 years+, then how does anybody know anything beyond millions or billions of years?



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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2010, 02:21:19 PM »
what hes trying to say... things written a long time ago by people around that time should be taken as truth for today...

if you take what he said as truth... then you must also take so many others as truth also...

keep in mind... there is more than one religion written throughout history... and in the future, everything we wrote down now whether as truth or fairy tails will be regarded as truth...

(must be real because someone wrote it down saying it was real...)



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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2010, 02:37:08 PM »
what hes trying to say... things written a long time ago by people around that time should be taken as truth for today...

if you take what he said as truth... then you must also take so many others as truth also...

keep in mind... there is more than one religion written throughout history... and in the future, everything we wrote down now whether as truth or fairy tails will be regarded as truth...

(must be real because someone wrote it down saying it was real...)

What he is saying is that the NT writings are best attested ancient writings of antiguities than all ancient literature combined.
Specifically because of the available number of manuscript evidence and the time span from the original to the earliest copy is so
short that they were recorded right  after the event of Jesus. What he is saying, as all historians understands, the earliest and
closes to the event is better attested. From the evidence to the present is irrelevant.



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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2010, 02:49:40 PM »
What he is saying is that the NT writings are best attested ancient writings of antiguities than all ancient literature combined.
Specifically because of the available number of manuscript evidence and the time span from the original to the earliest copy is so
short that they were recorded right  after the event of Jesus. What he is saying, as all historians understands, the earliest and
closes to the event is better attested. From the evidence to the present is irrelevant.

echo?...



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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2010, 03:26:50 PM »
From the evidence to the present is irrelevant.


Where is this Evidence again?

 :2funny:

HERE READ THIS FROM THE Smithsonian's department of Anthropology:

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The Smithsonian's department of Anthropology has received numerous inquiries in recent years regarding the historicity of the Bible in general, and the Biblical account of Noah's flood in particular. The following statement has been prepared to answer these questions:

 Many people ask if the Biblical flood actually took place, i.e. a flood which literally covered the entire earth and wiped out all living things except those which managed to board the ark?.....The occurrence of a flood story in both the Bible and the Epic of Gilgamesh, as well as in other folk traditions, does hint that there may have been enormous flooding of river valleys in a far distant time. However, thus far, after literally hundreds of archeological excavations at different times in the Near East, no all-encompassing flood stratum has ever been found.

The stories remain a part of folk traditions and were included in the Bible to illustrate and explain theological ideas such as: Where did humans come from? If humans were created by God (who is perfect and good), how did evil among them come to be? If we are all related as children of God, why do we speak different languages?It must be remembered that the Bible is primarily a book of religion, a guide to faith.

It must be remembered that the Bible is primarily a book of religion, a guide to faith. It was not a book of history, poetry, economics, or science..


In the best analysis, the Bible is a religious book, not an historical document.

-  Smithsonian's department of Anthropology

CITED: http://www.2think.org/ssotb.shtml



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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2010, 11:34:53 PM »
heres the crucial gaps in his views...




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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2010, 02:05:36 AM »
Where is this Evidence again?

 :2funny:

HERE READ THIS FROM THE Smithsonian's department of Anthropology:

NUFF SAID!

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The best evidence is in the Bible. 

The same way you're in a history class opening a history book.
Unless you're looking for external evidence that corroborate, then you
would look somewhere else - Josephus, Tacitus, Greco Roman Source,
Church Fathers, Creed, etc.




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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2010, 02:58:33 AM »
This has got to be one of the most stupid form of argument/reasoning I've ever encounter. Of course, it's targeted towards a specific group of people...non-thinking Christians...b ut even so, at least a few Christians would have to be thinking, "What kind of drug is this Craig guy on?"

First of all, there are literally thousands of Jesus figures 2000 years ago who could raised people from the dead and countless more throughout history. Are they all true? Or is only Jesus of Nazareth #3 the only true one?

Oh you say since there was something written about Jesus and the other Jesus's didn't get anything written about them, it must be true like Dr. Idiot said. Okay, for arguments sake, let's just say there was really a Jesus as in the Bible because it was written about it. But Jesus raised someone up from the dead and Jesus was God? And the evidence is because those people from 2000 years ago saw it?

Today, we are living in the most rational (I would hope so), most global, and most educated time in history...and with the Iraq war only about 7 years, millions of Americans are still convinced Iraq was behind 9-11. And this is after the fact that even the same American leaders who ordered the bombing of Iraq later say there is no evidence that Iraq was behind it nor any evidence that Iraq was building weapons of mass destruction. Yes, this is 7 fuccking years, we have videos, confessions and everything and with the whole world watching, yet, millions of Americans still believe otherwise. Now in the Jesus case, it's 2000 years ago and he was with his fans who wanted so desperately to believe in the miraculous. Of course 100-200 years from now (as in the case when many of the New Testament were written) when patriotic American historians decided to write a book about the Iraq war, they could say anything they please. They could choose to totally omitted as if it never happened. Or if it did happened it's because the Iraqis were threatening the United States, Saddam Hussein was going to take over the world if the U.S. didn't take pre-emptive strike, etc. Of course, in this case, the EVENT did take place, but everything else is all lies. And please, no more of those, "But can you prove that Jesus didn't perform those miracles and that he wasn't God? No I can't prove that Jesus didn't perform those miracles and that he wasn't God and I also can't prove that Jesus was a homosexual either.

Okay, to make it more interesting, I'm just going to give loonies such as Dr. Craig and people like Gracified the benefit of the doubt and say those New Testsment writers were right on the money and what they were writing were all facts. Now what about those people who wrote the Gnostic gospels, such as the Gospel of Thomas? Are those writers and those writings about Jesus just IRRELEVENT as Dr. Craig so fondly love to say? And if those Gnostic gospels are irrelevant, why are they so?  
 


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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2010, 11:05:48 AM »
i should start writing a book now saying im god and im the one... so 2000 years later itll be true...

or i can just write one now and say it was written 2000 years ago and its also true...

its so easy fooling the simple minded...



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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2010, 03:19:17 PM »


 b-rod you scare me sometimes when you come into any post :) it seems like you ram that rod up those Christian and make a new hole....



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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2010, 03:22:01 PM »

 b-rod you scare me sometimes when you come into any post :) it seems like you ram that rod up those Christian and make a new hole....

solemn winds got a good argument too...



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Re: Is the bible Reliable through history?
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2010, 03:28:40 PM »
solemn winds got a good argument too...

  i forgot to add in Solem wind also lol



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