Nostradamus v.s. St. John

[HmongKnight]

Who's prophecy is more accurate? Nostradamus is a french apothecary who predict Hitler and wolrd war II and many others events such as the great fire of London and the Fallen of the Twin Towers in 9/11 before it happens. St. John is one of the 12 apostle of Jesus Christ who wrote the book of Revelation. The book of revelation is written about the future according to his time. Many have translated the book of revelation that it were consisted of major world events such as; world war II, the fallen of the Twin Towers, the age of AIDS, the Persian Gulf war, World War III, the cloning of human being, the last battle between the forces of good and evil, the Sun scorch earth, and the new city that will be built on Mars.

Nostradamus was born around 1500 A.D... St. John was born around 1 A.D. or a few years before.

[b_rod]

Who's prophecy is more accurate? Nostradamus is a french apothecary who predict Hitler and wolrd war II and many others events such as the great fire of London and the Fallen of the Twin Towers in 9/11 before it happens.

When I was younger, I used to believe in it too!

But, now as I hear experts and think about it, it is TOO ambiguous. Sorry, but it doesn't take the cake...though I do like to part about the Churches oppressive ways and killing those "thinkers" and thought that questioned their "God of the Bible."

Here is something I read a long while back:

Skeptical Interpretation

In general, many of Nostradamus' prophecies include 16th-century French terms that aren't clear to most modern interpreters. Particular words could be interpreted in any number of ways, and they can be twisted easily to fit an actual event. In Nostradamus' time, for example, "Hister" referred to a geographical region near the Danube river. Most likely, skeptics argue, Nostradamus was referring to this area, not to a person. (Hitler was in fact born near the Danube river, so many believers actually embrace this interpretation).

The most compelling argument against Nostradamus' powers is that his apparent "hits" are the result of random chance and creative interpretation . There are about a thousand quatrains, most containing more than one prediction and all but a few described in vague, obscure terms. Over the course of hundreds of years, it's certainly possible that some events would line up with some predictions, simply by coincidence.

In fact, Nostradamus may have phrased his prophecies with exactly this in mind. Most quatrains refer to deaths, wars or natural disasters, events that are sure to occur again and again throughout history.

Nostradamus' esoteric style also increases the chances of a perceived hit. His metaphorical writing highlights general relationships and conflicts, not specific details. People, or possibly nations, are described as animals; major figures are referred to by their attributes. The quatrain above, for example, refers to "beasts ferocious with hunger," "the great one," and "a cage of iron," all general terms with metaphorical elements. This imprecise language does lend itself well to subjective interpretation -- when the exact meaning is unclear, it's easy to plug in one's own experiences to reach some sort of understanding.

This is a lot like modern horoscopes. Horoscopes typically detail things a wide range of people experience regularly, such as "conflicts at work," "happiness in relationships" or "exciting new changes." Chances are, these predictions will line up with your life, at least some of the time.

In the next section, we'll examine the most recent burst of controversy surrounding Nostradamus -- debate over his possible prediction of the September 11 attack on the United States.

CITED: http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/extrasensory-perceptions/nostradamus5.htm

Most academic sources maintain that the associations made between world events and Nostradamus's quatrains  are largely the result of misinterpretat ions or mistranslation s (sometimes deliberate) or else are so tenuous as to render them useless as evidence of any genuine predictive power. Moreover, none of the sources listed offers any evidence that anyone has ever interpreted any of Nostradamus's quatrains specifically enough to allow a clear identification of any event in advance.

CITED: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus#Alternative_views

 

BTW, anything in the Bible is NOT considered as reputable!

 

[Someone]

 B-Rod,


    No matter what you say HK won't get it through his thick skull.   The only solution is to neuter people like him so that he/she can't breed anymore.

[vangkm007]

Neither of their prophecies.   In any case how they worked is a lot like fortune tellers now, make some general "predictions" that are vague and can be interpreted a number of ways.

Let me make one now, one day we will transcend physical bodies and our "consciousness" will be stored data...wait Ghost in the Shell already predicted that.

[Someone]

Neither of their prophecies.   In any case how they worked is a lot like fortune tellers now, make some general "predictions" that are vague and can be interpreted a number of ways.

Let me make one now, one day we will transcend physical bodies and our "consciousness" will be stored data...wait Ghost in the Shell already predicted that.

 

[vangkm007]

 

It's true though that many scientists believe physical bodies are just an evolutionary stage.

[evil-in-deed]

what was some of nostradamus and st johns predictions?...

lets hear it in their own writings word for word...

and then see if which event fits better... the one you want to see it as or the one that is word for word...

waiting...

[HmongKnight]

St. John's prophecy about the fallen of the Twin Towers of world trade center written in metaphor.

The Two Witnesses
 1I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, "Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there. 2But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." 4These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
 7Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. 9For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

 11But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

 13At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

 14The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.

Nostradamus's Prophesy about the Fallen of Twin Towers of World Trade Centers.

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb",
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

- Nostradamus 1654

 

[Solemn Wind]

It seems like St. John and Nostradamus's prophecies only or mostly concern with the activities of white people.

[HmongKnight]

St. John's translation

Two Witnesses = Two Tall Buildings
Sackcloth = body bag
42 months of prophecy = 42 months News covering
Edom and Egypt = Manhattan New York
Beast from the Abyss = Air Plane
7000 dead = the initial death estimated by CNN, NBC, and etc when St. John first saw it
the Celebration = only the Muslim world celebrates.
Earthquake = When the twin towers fell, it hit an earthquake scale of 4.

[b_rod]

St. John's translation

Two Witnesses = Two Tall Buildings
Sackcloth = body bag
42 months of prophecy = 42 months News covering
Edom and Egypt = Manhattan New York
Beast from the Abyss = Air Plane

NICE INTERPRETATION S!!! Your God is smart, he wrote everything so clearly! It seems that is all your Holy Bible is...

All seeing, all knowing, all powerful...... .YET, he didn't know that he should have wrote it MORE CLEARLY!!!

 

I can see you DID NOT read the articles above! You will never understand anything dude.

 

[evil-in-deed]

St. John's translation

Two Witnesses = Two Tall Buildings
Sackcloth = body bag
42 months of prophecy = 42 months News covering
Edom and Egypt = Manhattan New York
Beast from the Abyss = Air Plane
7000 dead = the initial death estimated by CNN, NBC, and etc when St. John first saw it
the Celebration = only the Muslim world celebrates.
Earthquake = When the twin towers fell, it hit an earthquake scale of 4.

why isnt edom and egypt= edom and egypt?...

In the City of God

manhattan ny is the city of god?...

[Solemn Wind]

why isnt edom and egypt= edom and egypt?...

manhattan ny is the city of god?...

There's something about b_rod in the Bible as well. It's in Revelation somewhere. Perhaps HmongKnight would be kind enough to look it up for us.

[HmongKnight]

The book of revelation was meant to be written in metaphor so that only the ones with the gift of God can translate it.

[HmongKnight]

St. John wrote about the age of Vanereal Diseases (VD)..

7The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. 9They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.[a]

The age of AIDS

13The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." 15And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 16The number of the mounted troops was two hundred million. I heard their number.

 17The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.

Translation:

man = man
woman = woman
lion's head = woman's vagina (imagine the unshaved ones, it looks like a lion's head)
Scorpion's tail and snake = man's dong
man on horseback = man on top of a woman
The sound of charriots = the sound of a bed when making love
Abaddon and Apollon = Penicillin or antibiotic medicine
two hundred million mounted troops = two hundred million couples who are HIV positive


The first part is the age of VD.. Those people who have VD did not die but only get tortured for 5 months because they have a king over those diseases called "abaddon and apollon" which mean Penicillin. Penicillin and antibiotic can kill those diseases.

The second part is the age of AIDS. There's no cure for the second part because there's no king over those diseases. 1/3 of the earth population will die of AIDS. St. John saw two hundred million who are HIV positive.