Christians, I would really really really love to have an intelligent discussion

[Solemn Wind]

The flaw with this rationale is that; you seriously didn't learn anything with that kind of mentality to be thinking like that.    Your assertions of what you think religion is as a problem is one you convoluted through fabrications of missinformatio n.

So you know the truth? Even with the same religion such as Christianity within the Protestant sect there's disagreement. And there will be more disagreement if you compare it to the Catholics. And now if you shifted to Christians such as the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses, you pretty much have a whole different religion.

I think we're in agreement that what's important in religion is the good that's being taught so as to enable us to live a better, happier, and more productive life.  

[trepidpoda]

So you know the truth? Even with the same religion such as Christianity within the Protestant sect there's disagreement. And there will be more disagreement if you compare it to the Catholics. And now if you shifted to Christians such as the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses, you pretty much have a whole different religion.

I think we're in agreement that what's important in religion is the good that's being taught so as to enable us to live a better, happier, and more productive life.  

Welcome to the chaotic sinful lives of humanity!  There is no such thing as perfection in people, nor in anything else involving people.  People only try to live by the teachings.

[evil-in-deed]

Christian and nonchristian understand things differently. It's like fish and birds trying to understand each other. To understand each other you have to put yourself in their shoe. For example; to fully understand a Christian's way of thinking, you have to go to church for atleast a year or two. And to fully understand a non-christian, you have to stop going to church for atleast a year or two.

lolz @ going to church is what makes a christian a christian...

[trepidpoda]

lolz @ going to church is what makes a christian a christian...

going to church is a commitment on behalf of a Christian. 

[evil-in-deed]

going to church is a commitment on behalf of a Christian. 

now lolzing @ going to church is not what makes a christian a christian...

[trepidpoda]

now lolzing @ going to church is not what makes a christian a christian...

this is something you have no clue of.  You got to dedicate yourself to be a Christian; going to church takes dedication.  Therefore, as concluded; going to church does make you a Christian, bec it is part of dedicating yourself as a Christian.

On the contrary; nonbelief holds no dedication.  hehe