All my life I always wonder why so many Hmong people dislike GVP

[sweetvoice]

Dear Dr. Pebhmong,

Can you please help me understand why there are so many young Hmong children, young hmong adult, and hmong people who dislike GVP even through we all know he tried his best to help the Hmong people in history in anyway he can. He can not satisfy All Hmong's need because he is one person.   He left us Hmong people but being a Hmong female I want to hear from you as to why you believe so many hmong people dislike him so much. I want know what exactly did he do to those Hmong people. I hope that after you respone to my thread I will be able to move on with my life.

thank you

[Darksyde]

I have the upmost respest toward the General but we have different policies.  I am a Xiong and my uncle who's 87 years old, served under GVP.  His dislikes of the General are as follow.

1.  Vang Pao only gave ranks to his close relatives and the educated ones during war time.  If you see that portrait of all the Colonels under GVP those were mainly related or had close ties to him.

2.  He only promoted higher education to his close relatives or rich that paid their way through.  Look at all the early Educators who got sent abroad were mainly Vangs(Dr. Tony Vang is an example) with the exception of Dr. Yang Dao.  My uncle had a son that was very smart in school.  Always got first place after exams but never got promoted to the next level because they were very poor.  When my uncle got injured badly where he almost died in a battle and asked for higher ranking he got lectured for 2 hours as an idiot, uneducated.  His son later joined the Army and wanted to become a T-28 pilot he was always passed by the higher ranking officals relatives.

3.  Many believed he murdered Niam Ntawv the Hmong scholar who created Paj Hauj alphabet.

4.  GVP created Lao Families across America but most top people held jobs there were Vangs even with least education level on resume.  Keep in mind most ED at Lao Families makes at least 100k a year.

5.  Doctor Vang Yee in Fresno created Lao Veteran of America for many ex hmong soldiers like my uncle but they opposed GVP when he joined LPDR to settle Laos peacefully.  Lao Veteran opposed GVP so he created now SGU.

6.  When Pa Kao Her, Presiden tof Chao Fa party died and held his funeral in Fresno GVP and his advisors never attended.  Many believed he was the mastermind behind Pa Kao's murdered because of competition.  GVP  even went on the radios and chant that Pa Kao was a cocky sob but now that he dies there's no land to be bury.

7.  Laura Xiong tried to stop the flow of people into the White Water camp in Thailand and was labeled by GVP's party as the evil and even threathened her life many times.  Neo Hom always relied on the flow of people from Laos to Thailand then to 3rd world countries for their operating business.  Now that the camp has closed many Lao Families across America are closing its doors.

Theser are few of the reasons why Hmong hate GVP in my opinion.  I don't hate or love him but respect him as a General in our history.  My condolences to his family and may he rest in peace.

This person layed out some great answers to your question. If you have not heard these stories, they are all quite true from a stand point. I'm sure the Vang family see this bit of information differently but whatever the case, many of our parents know about these things but stay very hush hush about it.

[sweetvoice]

respone to Feodore and your uncle:

1. Vang Pao only gave ranks to his close relatives and the educated ones during war time. If you see that portrait of all the Colonels under GVP those were mainly related or had close ties to him.


2. He only promoted higher education to his close relatives or rich that paid their way through. Look at all the early Educators who got sent abroad were mainly Vangs(Dr. Tony Vang is an example) with the exception of Dr. Yang Dao. My uncle had a son that was very smart in school. Always got first place after exams but never got promoted to the next level because they were very poor. When my uncle got injured badly where he almost died in a battle and asked for higher ranking he got lectured for 2 hours as an idiot, uneducated. His son later joined the Army and wanted to become a T-28 pilot he was always passed by the higher ranking officals relatives.


Did your uncle ever confronted GVP  face to face about giving ranks to his  relatives and only the educated ones related to him during war time? If your uncle did please do share what GVP said. Even through I’m a young female only, I hope your Uncle knows that  in the military world the ranking leaders like GVP will yell at you, they don’t tell you the correct direction to take in life,  they call you names, they challenge you, and they order you to do things you never imagine doing, and most importantly they make you feel like your idiot but you should  never believe your stupid out of what they do to you. Times have change so I’m guessing your uncle should try change with time. You’re the younger generation  in  your family. Therefore, I hope you realize that your just the middle person between your uncle and GVP  for you have no accurate proof of the conversation. Taking side is never the best choice to the truth.  Honestly, If you’re different then your uncle  then you should remember GVP’s speeches for he’s always telling us Hmong people to be cautious in anything we do, Don’t give up on our dreams in life even if we fail the first time,  pursuit our education to the highest , never be believe we are idiots even if one tells us that we are because were not, and importantly he’s always telling us to love each other because were all Hmong.  In my opinion I think your uncle needs to remember that just because a person is in military fighting a war or finish military school doesn’t mean  he or she can be a leader and lead others.  Also, just because a person get straight A’s in school doesn’t mean that person will be a perfect kid and  finish Medical School.  Going to Medical School or college requires a lot of money, time, one‘s determination, and most importantly support from close families. Therefore, not all Hmong parents have a lot of money to support their children to go to college. Also,  not leaders like GVP can pay for every all  Hmong student‘s education during war time. Just for your uncle’s information, I went back to Laos to experience life with  Hmong people who live in the mountains for few months. The most important thing I learn for myself that was very sad was that there were some Hmong parents that work hard very hard and safe money. But, they do use their money to support their children’s education at all. In my opinion, you uncle needs to understand that there are over thousands and thousands of Hmong people in Laos. Many of the Hmong parents have to know themselves to not be selfish with money. Therefore, don’t expect GVP to know every single parents or families in all parts of Laos that has  straight A’s students and pay for all of their schools. Furthermore, your uncle needs to do some more research because the portraits of all the colonels under GVP don’t all have the same last names and many of them are not related to each other at all.  I’m pretty sure there’s more Hmong colonels and leaders that weren’t put on the poster. Plus, if you read carefully it does state that not all Hmong leader’s names are not printed on the poster. Honestly, its only a poster so I don’t even understand why your uncle make it such a big deal to the point of disliking GVP.

Well, I have to go do my homework so I’ll write more to the rest of your uncle’s view on GVP

[Darksyde]

I hope your Uncle knows that  in the military world the ranking leaders like GVP will yell at you, they don’t tell you the correct direction to take in life,  they call you names, they challenge you, and they order you to do things you never imagine doing, and most importantly they make you feel like your idiot but you should  never believe your stupid out of what they do to you.

Wow and wow... And by chance, where did you draw this information from? From the sounds of it, you probably have never served in the military before. This comment shows exactly how much "you think" you know about the military. I immediately stopped reading anything you had to say after just reading that simple line. I doubt you had anything reasonable to say afterwards.

If you're honestly going to challenge someone's words, how about using some sensible reasoning rather than irrational thinking.

[sweetvoice]

Wow and wow... And by chance, where did you draw this information from? From the sounds of it, you probably have never served in the military before. This comment shows exactly how much "you think" you know about the military. I immediately stopped reading anything you had to say after just reading that simple line. I doubt you had anything reasonable to say afterwards.

If you're honestly going to challenge someone's words, how about using some sensible reasoning rather than irrational thinking.

WOW, your a Hmong man and you don't even know about military life. I saw you weakness which makes me wonder why you respond to my thread. I you don't know the steps of working your way into a higher position in the military then I think you should give it a shot and find out what will happen to you. I'm pretty sure the high ranking leaders will never yell at you, call you names, and order you to do things you don't want too. Also, they will never ever call you an idiot..

[sweetvoice]

Anyway, your not even the person I wrote back to but it sounds like you want to say something about GVP then do it right here so everyone can read it. Also, your a  Hmong man so dont copying and pasteing others writing about GVP because you need to start learning how to write your own statements about GVP

[yajmafia]

I see that its just a lack of knowledge of the whole thing.

[LELIA]

to the people who GVP saw as assests, i'm sure he promoted easily.

to the people who GVP saw as liabilities, i'm sure remained where thy r or were "taken care of"

[Darksyde]

WOW, your a Hmong man and you don't even know about military life. I saw you weakness which makes me wonder why you respond to my thread. I you don't know the steps of working your way into a higher position in the military then I think you should give it a shot and find out what will happen to you. I'm pretty sure the high ranking leaders will never yell at you, call you names, and order you to do things you don't want too. Also, they will never ever call you an idiot..

I would know about the military because I have indeed served in it. I don't speak ignorantly about what I already know. The only time when your higher leadership/command will give you an "ass chewing", as they like to call it, is when you are being a dumbass or getting yourself into trouble all the time. Ex. Having no clue where they are supposed to be at what time repeatedly (dumbass) or if you go out to bars and get into fights all the time (troublemaker).

I held a plausible rank and it was given to me because my leadership BELIEVED in me. They spoke highly of me to other senior commanders. And I for one NEVER used my rank and authority to demoralized another soldier to that level or that degree and never have I met another who would do the same. Does that mean it never happens? Of course it happens but it is not as serious of an issue as you make it. The US military has over millions of people who serve in it. Of course its not perfect and of course there are going to be bad apples floating around but that is the way of life. IT IS NOWHERE NEAR THE CLAIM YOU MAKE.

And don't go misinterpretin g Boot Camp for the rest of the military either. Do you think that they make it that damn easy for you to serve? Of course not which is why so many people respect the profession.

The only real person who is making an idiot out of themselves here is you.

[sweetvoice]

well..... you said it does happen in many case but in your case it didn't....therefore it has happen to others...so I really don't understand why your telling me that I'm making it up...so which person is of telling the truth that those thing does happen to many people? you or me...anyway, please if you really dislike GVP and want to say it then just do it instead of find things to go aganist me. 

[sweetvoice]

You know what don't tell me that you have a high ranking position because your such a weak person. I'm serious because I don't need someone weak like you to tell me things that I can sense isn't true about you. Sorry,  but I'm serious if I was in the war with you I'll be calling you idiot before you call me idiot.

[autumnbreeze]

Dear Dr. Pebhmong,

Can you please help me understand why there are so many young Hmong children, young hmong adult, and hmong people who dislike GVP even through we all know he tried his best to help the Hmong people in history in anyway he can. He can not satisfy All Hmong's need because he is one person.   He left us Hmong people but being a Hmong female I want to hear from you as to why you believe so many hmong people dislike him so much. I want know what exactly did he do to those Hmong people. I hope that after you respone to my thread I will be able to move on with my life.

thank you

Sweetvoice, you are right. GV is only one person, and he cannot make all the Hmong people happy. There will always be haters for every great leader. That’s just how it is for great leaders in history. I don’t know GV myself. I’m not really his follower nor am I his hater as well. Still, I respect the man. My family followed him and look up to him. My dad died in his cause, trying to help those Hmong people in Laos escaped too. I’m just basing this on my personal opinions.

I believe that many people dislike him because their expectations of him are too high. There are just too many Hmong people, and he’s not able to help all. Those that were reachable received his good deeds, whereas those who were more distant did not and they became sour for this. They have to understand that at that point in our history, we were all very poor and it was difficult for GV to extend the same kind of love and affection to all the people. I’m sure he gave wings to those he saw had potential in his eyes. I know many high educated young adults now who dislike GV also. They claimed GV never did much for Hmong. Well, my question is this: if you think GV did not do much for Hmong, what about you? What have you done? Why don’t you try to make a difference then if you think what he did wasn’t enough? We can be appreciative and be thankful for the good deeds he did for us, considering that no Hmong has done that and was able to do that. No one was brave enough to stand up and lead us. GV did. Or, you can be critical and despised GV because he did not do enough for the Hmong people. These are not very appreciative people in my opinion. Whichever way you see it, it’s your personal opinions. It’s as simple as asking if you see the glass half full or half empty. For me, I applause GV for having the courage to even stepped up and lead our people. Although he may not have done as much as some would like, he did more than any normal Hmong person can do, and that to me is a great leader and someone worthy of respect and honor.

[Darksyde]

well..... you said it does happen in many case but in your case it didn't....therefore it has happen to others...so I really don't understand why your telling me that I'm making it up...so which person is of telling the truth that those thing does happen to many people? you or me...anyway, please if you really dislike GVP and want to say it then just do it instead of find things to go aganist me.  

I said "MANY" cases? I think you need to learn to read. Here is what I said. IT HARDLY EVER HAPPENS. Last I remember when I was still in, they have EQUAL OPPORTUNITY programs. Too many reports can lead to repremand, loss of pay, loss or rank, or worse; being kicked out of the military.

And I for one NEVER used my rank and authority to demoralized another soldier to that level or that degree and never have I met another who would do the same. Does that mean it never happens? Of course it happens but it is not as serious of an issue as you make it. The US military has over millions of people who serve in it. Of course its not perfect and of course there are going to be bad apples floating around but that is the way of life. IT IS NOWHERE NEAR THE CLAIM YOU MAKE.

You know what don't tell me that you have a high ranking position because your such a weak person. I'm serious because I don't need someone weak like you to tell me things that I can sense isn't true about you. Sorry,  but I'm serious if I was in the war with you I'll be calling you idiot before you call me idiot.

Go back to school little girl and do something for me: LISTEN AND LEARN. I don't need to tell you what my rank was because you wouldn't even be able to comprehend the level of leadership and responsibility behind it. I'm glad your not in the military. We don't need or want idiots serving our country. Its a shame people like you exist who would bad mouth the young men and women who serve this great nation. There are over thousands of Hmong who serve in the US Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines and Coast Guards. Some of them hold ranks as high as Colonel. I'm sure they and their families would love to hear what you think about them.

I'm sorry that I called you an idiot. You're not. You are just plain stupid.

[ToxicCum]

Dear Dr. Pebhmong,

Can you please help me understand why there are so many young Hmong children, young hmong adult, and hmong people who dislike GVP even through we all know he tried his best to help the Hmong people in history in anyway he can. He can not satisfy All Hmong's need because he is one person.   He left us Hmong people but being a Hmong female I want to hear from you as to why you believe so many hmong people dislike him so much. I want know what exactly did he do to those Hmong people. I hope that after you respone to my thread I will be able to move on with my life.

thank you

There are many who respect GVP. I think the minority are those who do not like him.

anyways, here is the answer to, 'why many hmong people dislike GVP?'

there is no political/activist/extremist individual from any country, that is completely favored locally, state,  country and worldwide.

there are many political parties out there, 'usually' those who are from that party will favor their party leader.

[Evil_K_Man]

I don't dislike GVP...I just didn't care for him.  I hear stories of how poor stupid hmong people will send whatever money they have to him in an attempt to gain some kind of status amongst his people (or hmongs in general).  It didn't happen to me personally, but I heard enough stores from close friends to believe in its validity.

In essence, he used people...