What is this red dress?

[highway]

Ref: Khoua Her
Police officers and paramedics rushed to her apartment and found the bodies of three girls and three boys, ages 5 to 11. The woman, Khoua Her, 24, was lying inside the doorway wearing a fancy red dress. The body of one of the children was behind her.

Don't mean to post up old wounds but is this "red dress" a specific Hmong funeral rite or just something akin to a "co.cktail" dress?

Any help will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.

[Reporter]

Khoua Her was in a Hmong Leng striped dress with a majority of the linings red. The cops and the news pointed out only the dominant color of her dress.

Khoua Her knew that it was typical for the Hmong to cloth the dead with Hmong costumes. She thought she was going to die with her children. She put the costume on and then tried to hang herself. But somehow the suicide attempt failed. 

[highway]

Don't know about the red dress, but strangulation is a crime of passion.  I attended their funeral.  I remember they all had the same haircut for some reason, short.  It was hard to tell the girls from the boys.

I wouldn't say a crime of passion (and neither did the 12 people in the room) but I suppose each to their own.

If it were cultural they would had said a "red costume". They consider Hmong outfits "costumes". I doubt it's related to Hmong clothing.

Anyway, why would this matter?

Poor kids, she hated her husband so much she had to kill any trace of him. Like Hmong say, you are truly dead when you have no descendants.

I doesn't matter. It's just a personal thing I'm doing. Hmmm, do Hmong people really say that? Can you explain? Thanks.

Khoua Her was in a Hmong Leng striped dress with a majority of the linings red. The cops and the news pointed out only the dominant color of her dress.

Khoua Her knew that it was typical for the Hmong to cloth the dead with Hmong costumes. She thought she was going to die with her children. She put the costume on and then tried to hang herself. But somehow the suicide attempt failed. 

I don't think it's a laughing matter but thanks for your input.

[Reporter]

I wouldn't say a crime of passion (and neither did the 12 people in the room) but I suppose each to their own.
I doesn't matter. It's just a personal thing I'm doing. Hmmm, do Hmong people really say that? Can you explain? Thanks.
I don't think it's a laughing matter but thanks for your input.

You don't think a failed suicide is laughable after she has killed all 6 without any problem?

[highway]

When I said crime of passion, I was thinking more along psychological terms, not as in a legal defense.

Psychologically, I find it hard to correlate and see it as a "crime of passion". She did not seem to be driven by impulse; however, feel free to argue your opinion. I'm all ears.

Yes they really say that because they believe that passing on your genes is why we're even in here in the first place. In other words, those who don't pass down their genes become "extinct". Spiritually the Hmong believe that when they reincarnate, they re-enter the family lineage they left behind. You become the great grand son of your son. Hmong women on the other hand, become a part of their husband's family and reincarnate through that lineage. A female person will reincarnate as her son's great grand daughter but never as her daughter's great grand daughter because her daughter would enter another family's and so on. If a person doesn't have any kids, they will reincarnate under their closest relative. Technically to the Hmong, the whole human race is part of one huge family tree so depending on who the survivors are, everyone will recinarnate (depending on the number of living bodies a soul can reincarate into). So as long as the human race doesn't go extinct, you're good. Does this contradict the first sentence? In a way it does but they say that because you eliminate your chances of your genes being passed on (returning as the same soul in a completely different type of body).

Thanks. This seems to reiterate something that my mums once said when she had her near death experience. Do you happen to know papers/books that can explain this in details? I would like solid materials (though that is not to say that yours and all comments in this forum is not altogether unreliable).

You don't think a failed suicide is laughable after she has killed all 6 without any problem?

I don't think anything concerning death is laughable--whether it is a murder/suicide or a mass suicide.

[LELIA]

Psychologically, I find it hard to correlate and see it as a "crime of passion". She did not seem to be driven by impulse; however, feel free to argue your opinion. I'm all ears.

from my memory,... i thought one of the reason y she killed her kids was because her lover didn't want the kids either.. she would hv to get rid of the kids to be with him... so rather than giving the kids back to their dad.. she decided to kill them to hurt the x also...so that would be a crime of passion wouldn't it?

[highway]

from my memory,... i thought one of the reason y she killed her kids was because her lover didn't want the kids either.. she would hv to get rid of the kids to be with him... so rather than giving the kids back to their dad.. she decided to kill them to hurt the x also...so that would be a crime of passion wouldn't it?

A loose interpretation of the idea, perhaps? Though this thread is not meant to discuss the significance or analyze her actions. Thanks for your input though.   

[YAX]

I'd check the domestic violence calls that the police responded to.  If any of them indicated that harm was being done to the children and the police let it go... LAWSUIT!

[Reporter]

Psychologically, I find it hard to correlate and see it as a "crime of passion". She did not seem to be driven by impulse; however, feel free to argue your opinion. I'm all ears.
Thanks. This seems to reiterate something that my mums once said when she had her near death experience. Do you happen to know papers/books that can explain this in details? I would like solid materials (though that is not to say that yours and all comments in this forum is not altogether unreliable).
I don't think anything concerning death is laughable--whether it is a murder/suicide or a mass suicide.

OK. So you don't think so. But I still think it's kind of funny that she managed to kill all 6 kids in one rage but when she finally turned to her, her efforts failed.

Why do you think she didn't put Hmong clothes on the kids?

[Reporter]

I'd check the domestic violence calls that the police responded to.  If any of them indicated that harm was being done to the children and the police let it go... LAWSUIT!

I think Khoua Her called 911 herself. By the time the cops got there, the kids have already died. She was struggling.

[Fishhead]

Hmong rumor said that one of the shaman was encounter by the youngest kid during shaman
ritual. He or she lost touched wiht his or her brothers and sisters on the other side. And the spirite
still wondering at the house where all the kids got murder. The lonesome spirit asked the shaman
to help find his or her brothers and sisters and sent a message back to thier dad.

I guessing must be the kid that the body was behind Khoua Her.