HINY won't allow 18 xeem to attend GVP's funeral

[No regret]

Why is 18 clan bothering the vang pao's funeral if vang pao's people don't want them to to get involved?

Weren't they against the Vang pao and his clan before he died?  Just leave it alone and don't go attend.

[kyang81]

The problem here is easily solved if everyone would just stop going to the new years to let these guys know that the Hmong community is truly tired of their greed.  But see, that’s the issue everyone hates how these organizations run the new year event, but no one can stand up and say no to attending.  Everyone here can B*tch and complain about how these organizations are corrupted and are just money hungry, yet I guarantee you that at least half of the folks who post on these boards attend even though they are disgusted by the way the events are ran.  It just doesn’t happen in Fresno, it happens all over the United States.  I’ll just keep the focus on the state of California though,  Everyone complains that Fresno shouldn’t be allowed to have two new years and that only one should be held, yet starting in the month of September or October whatever month it is, other cities from the state of California hosts their own new year’s celebration, how can we truly just have one new year’s event if there are other cities hosting their own new years?   How do you tell the guys in Fresno that they can’t have two, yet every other city in the state of California hosts their own.  Why do we need 10 new year celebrations in one state, is it because each city wants to host one for the Hmong people in their community?  What good is it?  Those same folks who attend their local new year event more than likely will also attend the one hosted in Fresno.  See greed just isn’t at the top of the food chain, it starts at the very bottom also, from the local Lao Family organizations who host new year events and don’t ever give back to the Hmong community all the way to the top of the food chain whichever one you choose to support whether it’s 18xeem, or HINY.  Every year we recognized that there is an issue with how these events are held, but yet we continue to go and support these same folks we despise.

Everyone is it in for the money, from the guys at top to the vendors who are side by side with one another and blasts their f*en music next to the guy who’s selling sugar cane sticks.

The only losers are the ones who attend with the intent to see friends and family members that they may have not seen for a while, yet we pay countless of dollars to park and to get in all for the purpose of possibly finding that special someone, a lost long friend or a family member.

[tubyaj]

There is no tradition or rule about just having one NY in each city.  Think of NYs as firework shows...you have a few happening at the same time in a city.  One or two becomes the biggest by making it the best.

[kyang81]

there is no rule that says you can't have more than one.    back in the days in laos, it's not one new year per city, it's one new year per VILLAGE.

And that's what i'm trying to say, people bicker about there being two new years in fresno yet everyone continues to attend.

[tubyaj]

there is no rule that says you can't have more than one.    back in the days in laos, it's not one new year per city, it's one new year per VILLAGE.

Eh...talk to folks that lived in bigger villages....it's common to have one at the north and south ends.  This bickering has been around for the ages....

[Reporter]

When did The Phatsister and I have already become one?

Phat, should we pretend to be one? That way we can hide our identities.

ThePhatsis or Reporter - your memory is terrible after hopping different nics haha.  I toyed with you then that I was a Vang but for the record I'm actually a Yang.

WTF about me posting about first day?   I was in Thailand enjoying Mais on 12/26.   I think you've mistaken me for someonelse.

I used to be proud about our new years when all the educated people were ED.  I used to respect Lao Family in Fresno when it was run by Dr. Tony Vang, Maiv Ntxawm(meeka lady who speaks fluent hmong), Dang Vang until they had little peeps like Charlie Vang and Pao Fang took over.  No offense but these two never had the resume to be leaders in my view.  The new year was ran by Dr. Moua Leng at first who did a tremendous job.  At the end of his term Dr. Wa Houa Yang took over and all the sudden GVP, Wam Kaim Fang, Colonel Joua True Vang got jealous and broke away to do their own at Sunnyside Swap Meet.  You see they divided the Hmong people in Fresno not me.  Fast forward to 9/11 the political arena changed.  The U.S. drew a line to all the countries around the world whether you're with me or with the other and Laos sided with U.S.  in 2005 the State Department warned all Hmong political parties to drop their practices or face consequeences.  Then Neo Hom wanted to settle with Laos peacefully and that angered and broke off a lot of Hmong Veterans across America.  Then came the liar Lor Cha Thao and many of GVP advisors including Lee Cheng, Moua Ge Mouanoutoua, loonel Tou Pao Lee warned him this guy spelled trouble because of his records.  The general never listened and there came the arrests in 2007.

AS for the new year, I see this as the most important event to unite us, promote us toward advancements.  However, when charlie Vang and Colonel stole it from Dr. Wa Houa Yang in 1994 they took it backward.  They started doing things like 20-30 years ago.  HINY lacked many experiences yet they turn on deaf ears from many educated or experienced people.  18 xeem saw the same problems so they had to break off but the problem with them was rather then put a whole new committee in they stuck with the old ones.  I went to one of their meeting and found out it was the same practice as HINY and yes runs by Vangs(Dr. Vang Shur,his brother Nelsong Vang).

As for when will I step in?  Time will tell.....

[Wi_sweetguy]

you guys are too young to understand politics. All government deals with politics and who are the two parties in the hmong society? 18 clan party and lao family are the two parties.  These fools have forgotten about things like GVP died and we should unite, but Vp's family are suckers and haters.  They won't even let 18 clan join in the funeral.  I think 18 should have a say, after all GVp was not just his son's father but every one's father and a figure.  It's dump how the family is so dump and not letting them in.  Let's all not attend and see what happens? haha....we all unite in a time like this.  But if these two suckers can't get along then the future for them is unwelcome in my home or in my ears.;

[hmongperson]

Some people are just so funny. Read and comprehend the whole story before making a decision. They never said the 18 Clans won't be able to go, just they will not be able to speak. I never read a line in there saying they couldn't go. This is why we Hmongs are always in conflict with eachother. We always hear what we want to hear, never the whole story. GVP is a world renown individual, people from all over are going to come. Everyone is going to want to say something but not everyone will get a chance. The 18 Clans don't get to do so and they make it seem like its the end of the world? I'm pretty sure there are a lot of other organization who are not going to get any time, I don't think they are crying about it. Just because you won't be able to say something doesn't mean you should boycott the funeral. Everybody wants respect but nobody is willing to give it first, in the end nobody gets respected.

[Feodore]

Yes, it's all about the speech.  Make it fair or no one at all in my view.

[countthe$$$$]

just don't go if you don't like how they are running their dad's funeral.  i'm sure they won't miss your kind of support. 

[YAX]

Yes, it's all about the speech.  Make it fair or no one at all in my view.

 I'd like to go speak too.  How bout you?  Can we all speak at his funeral?   Make it fair!  

[tubyaj]

 I'd like to go speak too.  How bout you?  Can we all speak at his funeral?   Make it fair!  

Have you been to traditional funerals....at them everyone speaks at the same time..that's why you can't hear anything clearly.

This family is holding on to grudges too tight...their right to do so but I'm just saying.

[YAX]

Have you been to traditional funerals....at them everyone speaks at the same time..that's why you can't hear anything clearly.

This family is holding on to grudges too tight...their right to do so but I'm just saying.

  I'm sure, if 18xeem members go there, they can speak too if that's all you're referring to. 

[luvlylisa]

ya'll still talking about this???