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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #60 on: February 26, 2011, 06:17:30 PM »
oohHHhh...rite e...here's my toke.   while i'm not interested in history nor am i an expert on this field but i do like to remind everyone that hmong is a mixture of people consolidated into one small ethnic group of people...which mean there are mongols, han chinese and other asian tribes among us and with that being said those group that blends with us brought with them their ancestors history and passing it down onto their offspring orally that's probably why some of us aren't familiar with those story while others do take for ex. that story that we are mongolian..... hopefully that solves the ongoing debate of whether hmong are mongols, korean, or whatever.



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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2011, 09:52:22 AM »
Despite your ignorance on the matter, there's a possibility the minor kingdom known as Yelang was Hmong even though not all Miao are Hmong. It reminds me of "Vaj Yim Leej", this could had been his name. But it could also had meant "King of Yelang" since Vaj also means king in Hmoob. Might as well look into more info on Vaj Yim Leej, might lead you somewhere regarding that minor kingdom.

No you dumb fukkk!  Vaj Yim Leej means the Hmong cap that has 8 stripes which means the 8 groups.



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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #62 on: May 10, 2011, 07:32:46 AM »
Are Americans the original whites?  ::)



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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #63 on: May 10, 2011, 09:55:38 AM »
Are Americans the original whites?  ::)

Look at the history of the name....  Who was it named after??  The America name was coined by the Spanish royalty to spite Columbus for his failure to find India.  It does not mean white.  White is caucasion.



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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2011, 02:22:17 PM »
Look at the history of the name....  Who was it named after??  The America name was coined by the Spanish royalty to spite Columbus for his failure to find India.  It does not mean white.  White is caucasion.

Wrong. America was named after Amerigo Vespucci, who was an explorer and map maker. Martin Waldseemüller who was a German map maker used Vespucci's accounts to help him draw the maps for what was to become the Americas. In doing so, Waldseemüller named these lands North and South America in honor of Amerigo Vespucci. America, being the feminine Latinized version of Amerigo's Latin name.

So, "America" was not coined by Spanish royalty, but rather by a German.



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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #65 on: May 18, 2011, 02:47:25 PM »
Wrong. America was named after Amerigo Vespucci, who was an explorer and map maker. Martin Waldseemüller who was a German map maker used Vespucci's accounts to help him draw the maps for what was to become the Americas. In doing so, Waldseemüller named these lands North and South America in honor of Amerigo Vespucci. America, being the feminine Latinized version of Amerigo's Latin name.

So, "America" was not coined by Spanish royalty, but rather by a German.
I stand corrected. 



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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2011, 07:27:18 AM »
Look at the history of the name....  Who was it named after??  The America name was coined by the Spanish royalty to spite Columbus for his failure to find India.  It does not mean white.  White is caucasion.
That was a rhetorical question.



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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #67 on: May 20, 2011, 09:29:47 PM »
this is like a kid having one black parent and one white parent...

is the kid black or white?... neither?... how far down the line will it make his family line black or white?...

the answer...

it takes 3 licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop...

i really dont think anyone here could be wrong... it all just depends on where we draw the line at... and/but everyone have their own line that they want to draw for themselves and others...




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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2011, 01:31:48 AM »
He's trying to debate this very same subject over at China History Forum. Poor kid.



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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #69 on: January 16, 2012, 02:57:09 PM »
this is like a kid having one black parent and one white parent...

is the kid black or white?... neither?... how far down the line will it make his family line black or white?...

the answer...

it takes 3 licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop...

i really dont think anyone here could be wrong... it all just depends on where we draw the line at... and/but everyone have their own line that they want to draw for themselves and others...



Great answered.



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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2012, 11:28:41 AM »
SORRY.. SKIP 6 PAGES BUT READ THE MIAO REBELLION ON WIKI.




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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #71 on: February 01, 2012, 08:41:55 PM »
I have to agree with the person that said Hmong people are a mix of all sorts of people.  That could not be further from the truth.  We are just like anyone else, whites, blacks, Hispanics, etc… everyone’s blood is mixed one way or another with each other’s.  

You can look at a White person and wonder what he is (is he German, Italian, Greek, French?...) but if you ask him, he will categorize himself as "American" (based on his country, USA) or "Caucasian" (based on his physical features) and if you further probe him he will probably give you a breakdown of his make-up (80% German, 10% Swedish, 10% French).  

It's great that we have all this "Hmong" pride and want to know where we originated from.  But one should not be so naive to believe Hmong is a pure race or that we were the “original” Chinese.  I have cousins (their mother was my Aunt = who was very Hmong) that act Hmong, practice Hmong customs, heck they are as Hmong as you and I... but their ancestors on their father’s side were Mabdaum… Their father’s family no longer wanted to be Mabdaum and converted to being Hmong—they chose a Hmong last name and started acting/being Hmong.  I have friends who are as Hmong as you and I but their father and/or mother were Laotian, Vietnamese, Cambodian...  And then there are Hmong people that were not originally Hmong, they were Laotion and got adopted by Hmong parents.  Do you follow me?

If you are going to trace the Hmong based on ancestors, fossils, I don't know... I just doubt we will get anywhere since we are all mixed with so many other Asians/people.  So, then, this leads to the question: how do you define Hmong?  …Not in bloodlines.  So then, let me ask again.  How do you define what/who Hmong is?  My answer would be, anyone is Hmong if they speak Hmong, are rooted in the practice of (or their former generations practiced) the Hmong customs/traditions.  

To stay relevant to this thread topic and to answer the question (Are Hmong the original Chinese?):  One would have to prove that Hmong people (defined by their customs/traditions) were linked closely to the first/original emperors or kings of China.  To do this, you'd need to prove that the original kings/emperors practiced the same beliefs/customs as the Hmong.  The king that came closest to being linked to the Hmong was Chiyou.  …    

Here is a fact:  Hmong people HAD THEIR ROOTS IN China (China--because that is as far back as we know)…

But again, the haunting question “Are Hmong the original Chinese?”… like, are we similar to the Native Americans in America, only, in China?  NO.  I’d say at one time Hmong people were ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PEOPLES IN CHINA… BUT we were never the ONLY people in China, WE WERE NOT THE ONLY ORIGINAL PEOPLE IN THE LAND. (Regarding Yelang, Hmong people may be the majority in Yelang but there could have been other minority groups there with us.)… WE ARE ONLY ONE OF THE ORIGINAL GROUPS OF PEOPLE.  HEY!  I may even be wrong in this.  We may not even be one of the originals.  For all I know, we could have come from India, Russia, Mongolia into China (just like the White men had come to America from Europe).

Sorry, I know I was confusing.  My thoughts got carried away in different directions.


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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2012, 06:39:06 PM »
Hmong is not the big umbrella. Hmong is one of the group from the "umbrella" that migrated south.



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Re: Are Hmong the original Chinese?
« Reply #73 on: May 03, 2012, 01:23:01 AM »
Oh my ducking jexus buddha!!!

Can you simply not be proud to be who you are, Hmong!

Jexus damn!!!






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