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Re: Building a better Hmong future?
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2011, 06:50:44 PM »
How much do other nonprofits receive? Like the ones in MN?

it'll be interesting to see where all those money go... :)

The two largest ones make pretty good money. They are operating on at least 2M per year.



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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2011, 06:51:40 PM »
I disagree with those numbers. But I agree that there should be specific terms.

We need to ensure the boards are elected by the community.  Next, we need to hold all the leaders to a tight leash.1 yr term revocable at anytime.  Top leadership can not be held for more than 8 yrs.   

Currently we people who are in leadership positions over 10yrs and they answer to no one.  This needs to stop.  It takes only 5 yrs  to get a something done.   In addition, it allows fresh ideas to emerge.



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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2011, 06:56:05 PM »
Youth programs are great.  It needs a purpose though.  Busy work is a wastes of time, talent, & $$$.  Three resources we don't have.enough considering we have 2000 yrs to catch up to.



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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2011, 06:59:55 PM »
The #s are just a start of the debate.  It needs to gain the community trust.  The person in leadership needs to know he/she is working for us.



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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2011, 07:57:16 PM »
These nonprofit does not really work for us though.  They are a tool of the funder.  We are being sold so they the founder of the org. can be rich.  Back in the 80's, Tony Vang was paid as the leader of Lao Family to disperse the growing Hmong community of Fresno.  The commumity found out and stopped it.

We should use these funding as a stepping stone only.  Not as the sole source of funding.  The community must approve of the type of funding being sought or offered to ensured it matches the community's goals.



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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2011, 08:31:23 PM »
How about planting the seed for change?  The revolution in Egypt started with one video.  Nonprofits are for people who want.tittles.  People need to know there is a way.  I'm just cracking the door loose.  It will need everyone to open it.



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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2011, 09:01:49 PM »
Have you asked yourself why is China still Huaxia after being conquered by so many barbarians?

Why is America the most pwerful nation in the world?

How did little Prussia become Germany the most powerful country in the EU?

Why is  India stuck in the mid 20th century given the large population and brain power it has?

Let us answer these together.   Perphaps, we can find a way to make Hmong dreams come true.



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Re: Building a better Hmong future?
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2011, 11:53:36 PM »
What do you feel we as Hmong need in terms of institutions  to build a better future.   Below are my two cents.
1. Knowledge institution to preserve our collective knowledge and teach the next generation.
2. Succession institution to insure a peaceful transfer of leadership.
3. Enconomic institution to guide our enconomic development.
4. Dispute resolution institution to meditate diferrences.


1. Knowledge institutions are a good idea, but we have to draw a line here. Are we going to preserve the knowledges of Hmongs here in America, or Hmongs in general. Here in America, when we refer to Hmong, we only mean the ones here in America and not abroad. Also, a lot of our history comes from stories. I understand there are many theories as to how we came to be, but most of these are not theorized by Hmongs, but rather foreigners. Before such a institution exist, we need a team of people who's main job is to trace our history and excavate artificats. I believe a few exists, but most of their facts are secondary. I also find it confusing that each group has thier own theory of how we came to be.

2. As for a succession instituion, I believe this will never exist, atleast not in my or your life time. Like I've said many times before, we are a very tribal people. We earn leadership through the deeds we do and respect we get from the community. In the Hmong community, leadership is not passed from father to son, or through election. It is given to the person that we all respect, or atleast most of us respect.

3. As for economic institutions, they are also a very good idea, but will not work in the Hmong community. There are a couple, like Lao Family and such. These worked when a lot of us were just barely arriving from Thailand, but now they play a very minor role. Plus, Hmong people have a very individualisti c mindset. We advertise that we are going to help all, but as soon as we help ourselves then we're done with the game. At this point we should not consider money yet, volunteer work should be the first stepping stone. When we can give up our time and strength without asking for some sort of compensation, then maybe we can deal with money.

4. I feel like one should exist, but if we do not have faith and trust in the people mitigating then there really is no point. In the end, we will end up going to the American system anyways. These people or organizations have to have the trust of the people, otherwise their decisions can just be disregarded. We have no real enforcing power do we. This might exist when all is under the law, which might not exist for sometime.



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Re: Building a better Hmong future?
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2011, 12:02:11 AM »
Some good comments and ideas I'm reading. In school when the teacher gave the students a group project he/she will instructs that the students learn how to work together and brainstorm first. By brainstorming, we'll eventually get there towards building a better Hmong future.

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Re: Building a better Hmong future?
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2011, 12:04:04 AM »
Some good comments and ideas I'm reading. In school when the teacher gave the students a group project he/she will instruct that the students learn how to work together and brainstorm first. By brainstorming, we'll eventually get there towards building a better Hmong future.

my 2 cents  ;)

That's why I don't blame the Hmong conference radios for existing at all. I know the Hmong keep asking about how to do things about things and not all are great but they are things about changing things for better things. Years from now some researchers are going to find those audios very useful in a Ph.D. thesis.



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Re: Building a better Hmong future?
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2011, 12:07:05 AM »
I won't argue that one either Reporter. ^^



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Re: Building a better Hmong future?
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2011, 12:11:17 AM »
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Re: Building a better Hmong future?
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2011, 12:18:14 AM »
we go alaska...



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Re: Building a better Hmong future?
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2011, 12:29:57 AM »
we go alaska...

evil-in-deed, now why is it some Hmong families move up to live in Alaska though? Do they want peace and quite? found better work/jobs? they must not like all the dramas, commotion and problems some of the mainlanders like to cause?

Do you think Hmong Land/Country will someday be purchased up in Alaska? Farfetched dreaming but it is possible   8)



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Re: Building a better Hmong future?
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2011, 12:42:20 AM »
Have you asked yourself why is China still Huaxia after being conquered by so many barbarians?

Why is America the most pwerful nation in the world?

How did little Prussia become Germany the most powerful country in the EU?

Why is  India stuck in the mid 20th century given the large population and brain power it has?

Let us answer these together.   Perphaps, we can find a way to make Hmong dreams come true.

You can't really say China is Huaxia because China was a lot of things before it became what we know today as China. Now Chinese civilization, that is a different story. Why did they endure? The answer is because they are experts at adaptation. They endorse new ideals while others in the region resist change. Us, Hmongs, are no different. Evident here in PH, try telling someone that their way of thinking and everything they know is wrong.

Why is America the strongest in the world? Same reason why America has the most enemies in the world. We use whatever it is to get what we want, and toss that tool when we're done with it. Like Vang Pao, Osama, Mubarak the list goes on of "tools" in the the United States' "toolbox"

Prussia wasn't small, and Germany isn't made of only Prussia. But, rather a collection of German principalites. Why are they the strongest in the EU? They must of learnt something from losing two world wars.

And as for India, I don't really understand your question and so I can not give you an answer.



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