leadership???

[3miao]

There two schools of thought on leadership.  One says its in the genes while the other says its in the training.  Who is correct?

[evil-in-deed]

maybe its the one who says managers are leaders and then say managers are not leaders and then say that its not what they said...

   

or maybe not...

lolz dont mind me... its an inside joke...

[sprite]

Looks like somebody is really desperate to lead. 

[Reporter]

That's like asking if it's nature or nurture that makes one what one is, right?

[3miao]

That's like asking if it's nature or nurture that makes one what one is, right?

In short yes.

[3miao]

I wonder who it is.

Anyway, 3miao, if you wanna know what leadership is, take an ROTC course in college, any branch of your liking, they'll give you the Leadership 101 Lecture.

#1 Rule: Be able to do what you ask others to do. If you wanna rally the Hmong to do something, you have to be able to do what you want them to do, and be good at it.

Regarding your topic question, it's in both the genes and training. Some leaders are born, but even then with better training it'll enhance their natural abilities. In the end if you wanna measure a leader's ability, look at their results. Most peasants and simple minded people don't know a damn thing about leadership, this is why they though GVP was a God. I'm not GVP hater but I think that's crossing the line.

Lead by example.  It is the type of leadership unlce sam wants.  It is also the best way to teach people how a leader wants things done.

How do we explain  General  Grant and President Grant?  Why two diferent result from the same person?

[Jubi]

Good stuff. But according to merriam webster's online dictionary, a God also means:

: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality.

VP was influential, he rallied over 30,000 men to fight so to defend their homeland from Communism, I don't think any of you boys would have the balls or courage to do that if another war were to break out in today's time. He is no God, but he was looked up like a God, and those fortunate to escape death, did see him as their "savior". Those who hate or challenge him are just simply envious, maybe never even carried a conversation with the man before and just going by rumors, propaganda and disinformation .

Yes, a lot of provoking topics coming from the forum member 3Miao, as to engage us into his debates and ideas, but like you mentioned somewhere before, talk online is cheap.

I wonder who it is.

Anyway, 3miao, if you wanna know what leadership is, take an ROTC course in college, any branch of your liking, they'll give you the Leadership 101 Lecture.

#1 Rule: Be able to do what you ask others to do. If you wanna rally the Hmong to do something, you have to be able to do what you want them to do, and be good at it.

Regarding your topic question, it's in both the genes and training. Some leaders are born, but even then with better training it'll enhance their natural abilities. In the end if you wanna measure a leader's ability, look at their results. Most peasants and simple minded people don't know a damn thing about leadership, this is why they though GVP was a God. I'm not GVP hater but I think that's crossing the line.

[3miao]

VP was influential, he rallied over 30,000 men to fight so to defend their homeland from Communism, I don't think any of you boys would have the balls or courage to do that if another war were to break out in today's time. He is no God, but he was looked up like a God, and those fortunate to escape death, did see him as their "savior". Those who hate or challenge him are just simply envious, maybe never even carried a conversation with the man before and just going by rumors, propaganda and disinformation .

This the price a leader pays.  Everyone has its critic no matter how great a leader is.  Would we put him in the nature or nurture.camp. He did earn a commision as an officer under the French.

[Jubi]

This the price a leader pays.  Everyone has its critic no matter how great a leader is.  Would we put him in the nature or nurture.camp. He did earn a commision as an officer under the French.

Yes true, being in a leader in the public eye you will have your critics as well as your supporters. Did you think VP let any of his critics and opposers get him down? He was always ahead, he knew there will be people to take him down, bash him, even shook hands with a lot of his common enemies. Cowards preach but can't walk their talk, he walked his talked. So as you stated in your response up there, lead by example too, show yourself, see if people will want to follow you.

[hmongperson]

maybe its the one who says managers are leaders and then say managers are not leaders and then say that its not what they said...

   

or maybe not...

lolz dont mind me... its an inside joke...

Don't go around telling the world. I told him my lip was 

[hmongperson]

I wonder who it is.

Anyway, 3miao, if you wanna know what leadership is, take an ROTC course in college, any branch of your liking, they'll give you the Leadership 101 Lecture.

#1 Rule: Be able to do what you ask others to do. If you wanna rally the Hmong to do something, you have to be able to do what you want them to do, and be good at it.

Regarding your topic question, it's in both the genes and training. Some leaders are born, but even then with better training it'll enhance their natural abilities. In the end if you wanna measure a leader's ability, look at their results. Most peasants and simple minded people don't know a damn thing about leadership, this is why they though GVP was a God. I'm not GVP hater but I think that's crossing the line.

Nicely said. A good leader eats and sleeps with those whom he leads. A good leader will not make others do what he does not want to do.

[hmongperson]

And honestly, if you want to lead the Hmong community you should start fairly early on. You can't just come out of nowhere and tell people to worship you. Vang Pao once said for Hmongs not to "climb up a high tree and demand people pay you respect. When they don't you'll fall. And from that fall you won't just break an arm or a leg, you'll die." Which young person, GVP's sons included, do you see helping a Hmong person out? How many do you see asking an older person if they need help with paperworks or translations? How many of you pull over to help a Hmong person stranded on the side of the road? How many people step into a fight to help another Hmong person being beaten senseless?

Like I've said before, and 3Miao can testify to this that I've said it before, we should start on a indivdual level. Start by leading our own lives, then our family, then our clan. And then from there we might be considered a leader. All of our leaders today, with the exception of GVP, can't even lead themselves. Thier families don't even want to associate. And, thier clan has long disown them. If you can't even lead your own life who is going to let you lead. 

[3miao]

And honestly, if you want to lead the Hmong community you should start fairly early on. You can't just come out of nowhere and tell people to worship you. Vang Pao once said for Hmongs not to "climb up a high tree and demand people pay you respect. When they don't you'll fall. And from that fall you won't just break an arm or a leg, you'll die." Which young person, GVP's sons included, do you see helping a Hmong person out? How many do you see asking an older person if they need help with paperworks or translations? How many of you pull over to help a Hmong person stranded on the side of the road? How many people step into a fight to help another Hmong person being beaten senseless?

Like I've said before, and 3Miao can testify to this that I've said it before, we should start on a indivdual level. Start by leading our own lives, then our family, then our clan. And then from there we might be considered a leader. All of our leaders today, with the exception of GVP, can't even lead themselves. Thier families don't even want to associate. And, thier clan has long disown them. If you can't even lead your own life who is going to let you lead. 

How did nature vs nurture turn into this?  Back to the topic.

We got 1 nurture 0 nature.  Can we put this person under nature?

[hmongperson]

How did nature vs nurture turn into this?  Back to the topic.

We got 1 nurture 0 nature.  Can we put this person under nature?

I don't think your field of expertise covers nature and nurture does it? If it does you'd know how interrelated the two are.

[3miao]

I don't think your field of expertise covers nature and nurture does it? If it does you'd know how interrelated the two are.

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