What outside influences are tearing the Hmong community apart???

[Gutts]

I think we can all make the argument that religion (or lack there of) plays a big part in segregating people. 

[vangkm007]

I think we can all make the argument that religion (or lack there of) plays a big part in segregating people. 

I think more so in the Hmong Community. I don't see it in American society really.

For example, have you ever seen a white Christian person refuse to attend a party thrown by their relatives who are of a different religion? No, but I see it in the Hmong community all the time.

[YAX]

Tearing Hmong community apart:
Younger Hmong generation taking on western views and adopting western practices.

[3miao]

Tearing Hmong community apart:
Younger Hmong generation taking on western views and adopting western practices.

We need something to blunt this.  The #1 of my proposal deals with this through cutlural pride. 

[sprite]

I think more so in the Hmong Community. I don't see it in American society really.

For example, have you ever seen a white Christian person refuse to attend a party thrown by their relatives who are of a different religion? No, but I see it in the Hmong community all the time.

Have you ever seen a white person get so butt-hurt over someone observing their religious practices? No.

This country was built on the people's right to exercise religious (or no religious) freedom. If Shaman-practicing Hmong are deeply insulted then they divide themselves and NOT because Hmong Christians want to observe their religious beliefs.

Frankly, I'm pretty tired of all these unfounded accusations that the Hmong people are not united when that couldn't be farther from the truth. It's not because of religion or even our clan system. It's because some business owners and Hmong organizations aren't seeing the kind of profits/growth they expected. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE who complain about this the most. The complainers are sadly mistaken. They've somehow confused the fact that since the Hmong communities haven't been forking over money or participation into their businesses and organizations (resulting in slow growth for THEM), then it's because the Hmong aren't UNITED enough.

Here's something to think about (for profit and non-profit): Your service sucks, your product stinks, your business is poorly organized, and it's very transparent that you are completely self-serving. We're the customer and if you aren't giving us what we want/need then you can forget about getting our money or participation. Simple as that. When we hand you customer feedback you: cop an attitude, make excuses, or quit altogether.

Successful Hmong businesses don't complain about Hmong UNITY. In fact, the Hmong population isn't their only target audience. They know how to practice good business so it's unlikely to see them make a career change from being a Hmong grocer to selling life insurance to being a realtor to operating a translation service all in one year.

[3miao]

Have you ever seen a white person get so butt-hurt over someone observing their religious practices? No.

This country was built on the people's right to exercise religious (or no religious) freedom. If Shaman-practicing Hmong are deeply insulted then they divide themselves and NOT because Hmong Christians want to observe their religious beliefs.

Frankly, I'm pretty tired of all these unfounded accusations that the Hmong people are not united when that couldn't be farther from the truth. It's not because of religion or even our clan system. It's because some business owners and Hmong organizations aren't seeing the kind of profits/growth they expected. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE who complain about this the most. The complainers are sadly mistaken. They've somehow confused the fact that since the Hmong communities haven't been forking over money or participation into their businesses and organizations (resulting in slow growth for THEM), then it's because the Hmong aren't UNITED enough.

Here's something to think about (for profit and non-profit): Your service sucks, your product stinks, your business is poorly organized, and it's very transparent that you are completely self-serving. We're the customer and if you aren't giving us what we want/need then you can forget about getting our money or participation. Simple as that. When we hand you customer feedback you: cop an attitude, make excuses, or quit altogether.

Successful Hmong businesses don't complain about Hmong UNITY. In fact, the Hmong population isn't their only target audience. They know how to practice good business so it's unlikely to see them make a career change from being a Hmong grocer to selling life insurance to being a realtor to operating a translation service all in one year.

His complaint is directed at clan members.  Its really a family division due to misunderstandi ng.

[sprite]

His complaint is directed at clan members.  Its really a family division due to misunderstandi ng.

Exactly! Maybe it is the case in his clan but certainly not for all clans. In fact, it isn't even the case for all Shamanistic-followers or Christians. So how can it be a major cause of division in the Hmong communities? There are plenty of other groups that are divided amongst themselves but there is one thing that UNITES them and that is PATRIOTISM (Nationalism). When the Hmong people do not have a country then they cannot be UNITED under patriotism. The Greeks are a great example of this. For the most part, they were always at war with each other (Trojans vs. Spartans, for example). Even America is divided in state policies. But if some mofo tried to bomb America, the Americans would rise together to protect the physical country.

Our clan system is fine. We are entitled to have pride in our individual clans. We have the right to practice religious freedom. But most importantly, we have the right to spend our money and our time where we see it personally benefits us.

[3miao]

Exactly! Maybe it is the case in his clan but certainly not for all clans. In fact, it isn't even the case for all Shamanistic-followers or Christians. So how can it be a major cause of division in the Hmong communities? There are plenty of other groups that are divided amongst themselves but there is one thing that UNITES them and that is PATRIOTISM (Nationalism). When the Hmong people do not have a country then they cannot be UNITED under patriotism. The Greeks are a great example of this. For the most part, they were always at war with each other (Trojans vs. Spartans, for example). Even America is divided in state policies. But if some mofo tried to bomb America, the Americans would rise together to protect the physical country.

Our clan system is fine. We are entitled to have pride in our individual clans. We have the right to practice religious freedom. But most importantly, we have the right to spend our money and our time where we see it personally benefits us.

All the clans have the same problem.  I've seen enough of it especially in the 80's and 90's.  It has died down alot but not for the new converts.  They are quite zealous about their new faith.

I think America is not about a piece of land.  Its the ideals.  Our ideals as a Hmong people are hazy that is why we have misunderstandi ngs.  We need to clear that up to be a united people.

[moo_cow]

http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2009/08/guru-of-war-colonel-john-boyd.html?m=1
+Moral warfare
+Mental warfare
+Physical warfare

These are elements of war that modern society engages in.  I noticed the first element involves disunity.  Our community suffers disunity. Who did this to us and how did they do it?

http://www.mathaba.net/news/pda.shtml?x=618620
This may explain the how...  Someone collected information on the community for later use.  These people normally are religious people, anthropologist s, or business people.  The most potent are religious people because they are able to recruit willing colaborators to create distrust unknowingly.

This may explain the current state of our community.  What other outside influences are tearing our community apart???

As an individual, I believe and absorb what I know and is taught to me. However how I choose to react on it and give back is my decision. If the influence is bad then I have a conscious to know what is right and wrong. My father told me that people think with their head too much and get too emotionally involved, we don't listen to our hearts enough. When we listen to our hearts and do what makes our heart happy then we use our head to do stupid things.

[3miao]

As an individual, I believe and absorb what I know and is taught to me. However how I choose to react on it and give back is my decision. If the influence is bad then I have a conscious to know what is right and wrong. My father told me that people think with their head too much and get too emotionally involved, we don't listen to our hearts enough. When we listen to our hearts and do what makes our heart happy then we use our head to do stupid things.

What if their values are supplanted by the new ones??  That is the purpose of moral warfare.  It works slowly and you are not aware of it.  That is how terrorist are created.  The Jihadist work on a kid for 5-10yrs before they have a bomber.

[8v10un30sun]

My suggestion to you Internet leaders is less talk more action.  You can talk until gvp is reincarnated and nothing will change without action.  I see this same issue with hmong; all talk no walk.

[3miao]

My suggestion to you Internet leaders is less talk more action.  You can talk until gvp is reincarnated and nothing will change without action.  I see this same issue with hmong; all talk no walk.

How are bombers created?  Through talk....

[moo_cow]

Killers are created through video gamed

[3miao]

Killers are created through video gamed

That is the modern version of talk...