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old saying... what does this mean?...
« on: April 26, 2011, 04:15:58 PM »
"tsis txob ci qos rau ib tug neeg zov..."
"do not cook potato for one person waiting..."

its an old hmong metaphor... so how do you take it as?... and apply it to what situation/subject/topic?...







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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2011, 08:30:29 PM »
"tsis txob ci qos rau ib tug neeg zov..."
"do not cook potato for one person waiting..."

its an old hmong metaphor... so how do you take it as?... and apply it to what situation/subject/topic?...
I believe you translated it wrong.  It should be "for others to watch" not "for one person waiting".  In that case, don't expect others to care for your things/cause....



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2011, 09:07:27 PM »
"tsis txob ci qos rau ib tug neeg zov..."
"do not cook potato for one person waiting..."

its an old hmong metaphor... so how do you take it as?... and apply it to what situation/subject/topic?...



You might be confusing two things here.

1. Ci qos
2. Ci pob zeb rau luag zov.


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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2011, 10:52:07 PM »
I believe you translated it wrong.  It should be "for others to watch" not "for one person waiting".  In that case, don't expect others to care for your things/cause....

zov is waiting...

and i was translating word for word... if i had done what i think it meant, then it would become like the bible...

You might be confusing two things here.

1. Ci qos
2. Ci pob zeb rau luag zov.


if you two have heard similar sayings... then do state it...



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2011, 10:55:08 PM »
"Txhob ci pob ze rau luag zov..."  

When I was younger someone explained to me that when you roast a rock it never cooks so that person will wait and wait and the rock will never cook.  It's a metaphor to mean that you shouldn't keep someone waiting for something when you know they are waiting for nothing.  It is used a lot to refer to dating, when someone keeps leading another on even when they know they don't want to be with him/her.

"Txhob ci qos rau luag zov..." means the same thing.



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2011, 10:59:25 PM »
"Txhob ci pob ze rau luag zov..." 

When I was younger someone explained to me that when you roast a rock it never cooks so that person will wait and wait and the rock will never cook.  It's a metaphor to mean that you shouldn't keep someone waiting for something when you know they are waiting for nothing.  It is used a lot to refer to dating, when someone keeps leading another on even when they know they don't want to be with him/her.

"Txhob ci qos rau luag zov..." means the same thing.

You don't think yam or taro or cassava cooks? :2funny:



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2011, 11:00:33 PM »
zov is waiting...

and i was translating word for word... if i had done what i think it meant, then it would become like the bible...

if you two have heard similar sayings... then do state it...

Ci qos = collude
Ci pob zeb rau luag zov = see what Passing#2 has stated.



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2011, 11:01:38 PM »
You don't think yam or taro or cassava cooks? :2funny:
 They cook, but that was the way it was explained to me by my elders and the way I've took to understanding it for years....now are you going to tell me I've been wrong for the last 11 years of my life.  :2funny: ;D



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 11:09:11 PM »
"Txhob ci pob ze rau luag zov..."  

When I was younger someone explained to me that when you roast a rock it never cooks so that person will wait and wait and the rock will never cook.  It's a metaphor to mean that you shouldn't keep someone waiting for something when you know they are waiting for nothing.  It is used a lot to refer to dating, when someone keeps leading another on even when they know they don't want to be with him/her.

"Txhob ci qos rau luag zov..." means the same thing.

hurmmm... very interesting... seemingly like how a rock can also take the shape of a potato... it could be that there were really two sayings of that phrase... and that they only make sense when you know both of them... like a puzzle...

maybe the other person is actually waiting for a potato, while the cooker knows its only a rock...

so really its...
"do not cook rocks for others to think its a potato..."
"dont cook rocks, people are waiting for potatoes..."
"do not cook rocks... people mite think its potatoes and wait for it..."
etc...

lolz... dang OGs and their puzzled tongues...



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 11:22:25 PM »
  They cook, but that was the way it was explained to me by my elders and the way I've took to understanding it for years....now are you going to tell me I've been wrong for the last 11 years of my life.  :2funny: ;D

Ci pob zeb I can understand. But ci qos--I don't think you need to wait for too long. So, yes, 11 years of wrong meaning! :D



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2011, 06:52:29 AM »
"Txhob ci pob ze rau luag zov..."  

When I was younger someone explained to me that when you roast a rock it never cooks so that person will wait and wait and the rock will never cook.  It's a metaphor to mean that you shouldn't keep someone waiting for something when you know they are waiting for nothing.  It is used a lot to refer to dating, when someone keeps leading another on even when they know they don't want to be with him/her.

"Txhob ci qos rau luag zov..." means the same thing.

I've never heard this before. Thank you, I've learned something new today.  O0



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2011, 04:32:04 PM »
hurmmm... very interesting... seemingly like how a rock can also take the shape of a potato... it could be that there were really two sayings of that phrase... and that they only make sense when you know both of them... like a puzzle...
maybe the other person is actually waiting for a potato, while the cooker knows its only a rock...
so really its...
"do not cook rocks for others to think its a potato..."
"dont cook rocks, people are waiting for potatoes..."
"do not cook rocks... people mite think its potatoes and wait for it..."
etc...
lolz... dang OGs and their puzzled tongues...

Now you're thinking way too much into that whole metaphor deal. The two sayings are independent of each other. :)



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2011, 04:33:21 PM »
I've never heard this before. Thank you, I've learned something new today.  O0
  Yes, there are a lot of neat sayings in Hmong....half of which I don't even understand, but none the less neat.



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2011, 06:00:08 PM »
The OG version is better, don't ruin it. Thanks.

which one is the original one?... and how far apart are each in time frame?...

Now you're thinking way too much into that whole metaphor deal. The two sayings are independent of each other. :)

do they each mean different things then?...



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Re: old saying... what does this mean?...
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2011, 08:16:23 PM »
which one is the original one?... and how far apart are each in time frame?...
do they each mean different things then?...
  They mean almost the same thing, I think, but you can't use one to explain the other....that's what I meant by being indepndent of each other.



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