Who is Sivyis?

[BoyRescue]

The website did provide related information acordingly to my dad version.

Some for Hmonglish please read careful, And yelling at me about grammar this and that K.

It wasn't havean that turn Shaman King oldest son spirit into animal that the
Shaman King used. It was the Demon King that did. Because each time the Demo King
make someone sick, Shaman King curse it. For so many years that the Demo King spread
sickness to Human world he didn't success of catching anyone spirit to be his servant.

So one day the Demon King made one of the rich family daughter get sick. The family
come and ask for help from the Shaman King. This time the ceremony required a pig. Not
knowing that the Demon King already caught his oldest son spirit and turn it into a pig
that the Shaman King using to cure the rich daughter. After the pig was kill and cook,
when he took the first bite on the pig meat, he got chock. Knowling something is not
right so he left for home.

At the crosss he met the Demon King. The Demon King greet him and said, you such powerful
shaman everytime I put sickness to someone you always cure but this you fail. The shaman
reply whatever you did to the the family I already cured them. Demon King replied back
look into your bag see what's in there. The Shaman King look inside his bag, it was the
pig head instead his oldest son head.

The two kings when into battle for seven days and seven nights no one win both of them
equal in power, but tired and hungry. The Shaman King morph into a mouse form run into rat
hole to hide and rest. Demon King morph into a cat form and guard the enterance and said I will
eat you when come out and wait here to see how long you going to be in there. Shaman king again morph
into a catapillar and come. The Demon King thought it was the mouse that drove of the catapillar from
the hole. So Demon King the captapillar go not knowing it was the Shaman King.

The Shaman King went home and eat. Seeing his lay dead, he couldn't control himself, he has to return
and get revenge. He went back to the same place luckly the cat still there, but this time portrail himself
as a farmer. So he said to the cat, thank you cat for guarding the rat hole. These mouses are so bad that
they eating away my vegetable. You must be hungry here I got some food for you. As the cat eating and let
his guard down. Shaman King quickly cover up the cat into his bag and tie it up. The shaman king told
the Demon King that you are so smart but now I got you inside bag and you dead.

For the dead of his son, he so mad and angry, he smash the bag so hard onto the ground and kill the cat.
Blood, Bone, cat shiiit spread all over. The Demon King last words said, every drop of my blood, piece of
bone, and drop of my shiiit will be come a demon. These demon will spread all over the human world and
will attack any human they see. Now Shaman King along can not defeat all the newly create demons.

Shaman King when home dissappionted. After the funeral of his son, he decided go back to heaven with
his family. Half way to heaven, he breaks his equipments into million pieces and spread around the
human world. He said to Demon King even you reborn into many demons and spread sickness into the
human world. With my equipments spread around the world. Each piece of my equip will create a shaman and
will battle with your demon. Each human who become a shaman will be as good as I am.

So until these days the battle still continue.

Thanks!  Never heard any of these stories before.  Question though.  How did Sivyis get to Heaven if he never died?

[Fishhead]

Thanks!  Never heard any of these stories before.  Question though.  How did Sivyis get to Heaven if he never died?

Siv Yij from heaven God sent him down to save human for the Demo King.

[BoyRescue]

Siv Yij from heaven God sent him down to save human for the Demo King.

So he's actually isn't a human being than.  Is he a spirit then?  How did his family get to heaven then?  Thanks.

[hmongperson]

Like I said, there are many stories and many versions of who he is. If that is what you're looking for then there will never be a clear indication. But, the main point behind all the stories is that he was the first shaman.

[passingby#2]

I always just thought SivYis was a person with magic powers.

[BoyRescue]

Like I said, there are many stories and many versions of who he is. If that is what you're looking for then there will never be a clear indication. But, the main point behind all the stories is that he was the first shaman.

Right, I understand that there's going to be inconsistencie s because of the different witnesses.  I'm not looking for the consistencies, but more so understanding of who he is.

In your version, is he a man or a spirit?

[hmongperson]

Right, I understand that there's going to be inconsistencie s because of the different witnesses.  I'm not looking for the consistencies, but more so understanding of who he is.

In your version, is he a man or a spirit?

He is a man.

[BoyRescue]

He is a man.

Did he go to heaven as a man?  Or did he die and then go to heaven?

[hmongperson]

Did he go to heaven as a man?  Or did he die and then go to heaven?

He went like every other man.

[BoyRescue]

He went like every other man.

Does that mean he died then??  How did he die?

[hmongperson]

Does that mean he died then??  How did he die?

He died. Before he going to die he told the people that he was going to hide his powers, only the people that he chooses can see it. He placed his powers on the horns of the water buffalo, therefore every shaman has a pair used for divination.

[BoyRescue]

[sub]According to many qeej songs, Shee Yee (Siv Yig) was a powerful shaman who once
lived on earth.1 Possessing special kinds of knowledge, he could cure all forms of sicknesses and
even revive the dead. This ability made his younger brother and archrival, Ntxij Nyoog, envious.

http://www.hmongstudies.org/HerHSJ6.pdf[/sub]

Good read.  Thanks. 

He died. Before he going to die he told the people that he was going to hide his powers, only the people that he chooses can see it. He placed his powers on the horns of the water buffalo, therefore every shaman has a pair used for divination.

The shaman religion kind of believes in reincarnation, correct?  At least according to the study above it does.  So at somepoint Sivyis will rebirth back to earth?  Do the Hmong people expect him to reincarnate back as a human?

[hmongperson]

Good read.  Thanks. 

The shaman religion kind of believes in reincarnation, correct?  At least according to the study above it does.  So at somepoint Sivyis will rebirth back to earth?  Do the Hmong people expect him to reincarnate back as a human?

In my version, he becomes free of the reincarnation cycle and becomes a God himself. He, himself, does not reincarnate anymore, but his power does through the many people who choose to take up the veil. When they do, they fight of evil in his name.

[BoyRescue]

In my version, he becomes free of the reincarnation cycle and becomes a God himself. He, himself, does not reincarnate anymore, but his power does through the many people who choose to take up the veil. When they do, they fight of evil in his name.

How did he become free of the reincarnation cycle?  And how can one break the cycle and become a god themself?  Has the hmong community witnessed anyone from a past life that was reincarnated like the other reincarnation religions?

[Reporter]

How did he become free of the reincarnation cycle?  And how can one break the cycle and become a god themself?  Has the hmong community witnessed anyone from a past life that was reincarnated like the other reincarnation religions?

I was told that in the last life I was a very good and loyal fisherman. Does that answer your question?

Yes, I'm Hmong.