xwm kab

[werty]

can u wise ppl shed some light on this whole xwm kab thing to me?

my cousin married into a family after the father passed away...... she lives with her husband and his family... they are quite traditional... so since my cousin's husband is married.. he's considered the head of the household.... so they did a xwm kab... the first time... his mom helped them out... but then the husband start acting strange on several occasions.... she told me and freaked me out.... like he'll do stuff... and it appears it's not his own doing =/ ....so they attributed his strange behavior to the xwm kab being set up wrong...

so then they had a relative from the husband's father's side help them out the second time......... but then at the same time... his mother converted into christianity while still living with them (which i'm told could be a problem?)... so weird shnit keeps happening.... and of course his mother's relationship with the new husband (who came to live with them) got all messed up too........ (that's another whole story)

so i tell my cousin.... why don't ya just go to church w/ your mother-in-law?! maybe that'll stop all these weird stuff.... but her and her husband doesn't want to convert... if they do... then the husband can't "find" his dad after he passed on or whatever... but it's like..... what other options do you have?! anyone know what they can do?

[Reporter]

can u wise ppl shed some light on this whole xwm kab thing to me?

my cousin married into a family after the father passed away...... she lives with her husband and his family... they are quite traditional... so since my cousin's husband is married.. he's considered the head of the household.... so they did a xwm kab... the first time... his mom helped them out... but then the husband start acting strange on several occasions.... she told me and freaked me out.... like he'll do stuff... and it appears it's not his own doing =/ ....so they attributed his strange behavior to the xwm kab being set up wrong...

so then they had a relative from the husband's father's side help them out the second time......... but then at the same time... his mother converted into christianity while still living with them (which i'm told could be a problem?)... so weird shnit keeps happening.... and of course his mother's relationship with the new husband (who came to live with them) got all messed up too........ (that's another whole story)

so i tell my cousin.... why don't ya just go to church w/ your mother-in-law?! maybe that'll stop all these weird stuff.... but her and her husband doesn't want to convert... if they do... then the husband can't "find" his dad after he passed on or whatever... but it's like..... what other options do you have?! anyone know what they can do?

Wow. Weird stuff happening.

My understanding is that the xwm kab has to be properly set up or else, yes, weird things happen to the family.

Now they must have a shaman come and beg the xwm kab for a redo. Then they must re-set things and do so correctly, like the husband's father set it up for them or have the husband set it up but only after he has learned to chant the set up words correctly. Things like that.

[morninglory]

Yes, like reporter say, they'd have to redo it and redo it the right way. The xwm kab is not something to mess with (if you believe in it). The mother can still live in the house as long as they respect each other's faith.

[tommyyang313]

The "xwm kab" is to help ward of evil spirit pertaining to the family household, and for good luck. There can be a problem with both the "traditional" and the new found "christianity" faith. Both cannot co-exist in the same house if I am correct. There can only be one faith, or one will trouble the other. The "xwm kab" is set up by men, not women. I have not known any women who has set up any "xwm kab". Only men from the guy's side of the family can set it up, so that way it is proper with the traditions of the clan you belong to. If it is set up wrong, then it has to be corrected in order for that person to be at peace or in this case "chi". The chi will flow properly if everything is set up right. Maybe there can be more than one reason for this situation.

[yuknowthat]

xwm kab=protection of the family from spiritual harm and bring health and wealth to the family(guardians, ancestors, angels)
it has to be done in the correct way and only the man of the house hold can do this, no women ..if you don't know ask the uncles (your father's brothers) to know the way how to do it..things came happen to you if you don't do it the correct way, whether makes you go psycho or mentally ill or bring bad things into the family that can break the family apart..
dab roog=is something else

[hmongperson]

As the other posters in here have eluded to, it needs to be redone. According to our tradition, only a male can do it, and only a rooster can be sacrificed. When it is up, it can not be altered until it New Years, or if you put it up wrong.

The xwm kab is thought to be a guardian spirit, like an guardian angel, who watches over not just the house but the family aswell. Therefore, in the olden days people who are going to go somewhere are asked not to look back at the house. If one does so, it is an indication to the xwm kab that that person is scared and so it will follow the person to protect him or her. Thus, that person will hear footsteps behind them. This is quite spooky, but it is not the intention of the xwm kab to scare.

The xwm kab is tolerant and different faiths can exist within the house it dwells. The only problem is that another xwm kab exists in the house. All male in our tradition has a xwm kab and can put it up when he moves out. However, when the male puts it up he can no longer come back and live with in his father's house if his father is still alive. This is because one cannot just put the xwm kab away without converting, and two xwb kabs cannot exist in one house. If they do, there will be conflict between the two, which translates into conflicts between father and son in our world.

[Xyooj-Man]

probably said zaj xwm kab wrong or probably had his mom help him, but one big factor is his mom and new husband living with them it pi dab qhua sorry not good at spelling hmong but yeah once your mom step out to married another guy she could come live with you but her and her new husband can't get sick or any sort so maybe that's what making him and his mom's new husband act weird. don't know much just saying from what i kinda know so yeah.

[DonJuan]

What Hmongperson says...  The best way to deal with this now is to have a shaman come in and sort it out. But as many mentioned, it's a mess.

[tetrapod]

He could just burn it..

[hmongperson]

He could just burn it..

That is exactly what you don't want to do. A grandparent of mine burned his, just a month or so later both his daughters died one after another. And then almost year till the anniversary of the burnning, he died.

[tetrapod]

That is exactly what you don't want to do. A grandparent of mine burned his, just a month or so later both his daughters died one after another. And then almost year till the anniversary of the burnning, he died.

I could burn it for them if they like.  It's just a piece of paper with some chicken blood on it.

[hmongperson]

I could burn it for them if they like.  It's just a piece of paper with some chicken blood on it.

Well, tecnhically it is just that, a piece of paper. But it is just as important as the Christian cross, and burning it doesn't solve the problem, it only worsens it.

[TusHluasSiabZoo]

Don't blame on the xwm kab,  there is nothing wrong with what they do and the xwm kab. Thing just happening and will go away, if you sick then go check with your doctor.

[CheejSiav]

Well as for me here's what i know about xwm kab,

You know that Xwm kab is a Chinese word right?
So what it is, is a believe or an Ancestral worshipping believe. And how it come to be? we'll have to go back into China since the time of the Chou and Shi and Hsia time. We know that in China there's a lot of dailogue and so with that there's a lot of different tribe, different clan and everything has its own systimatic on how each individual is called.
The Chinese having develope the believe of Ancestor that they believe can provide protection to their family name, clan, and tribe. With that as time goes own China and its ruler wanted everyone to be under one law, one order to help everyone be unified and become as one. So the first attack was innitiate by the Chou i believe if i'm wrong then correct me but the first initial attack was intended to help lower the other tribe in riseing too powerful. So as time come, there arose a man who went around and at that time in order to get orders and get everyones attention is to do it by force. Obviously at the end the believe of Ancestral worshipping was spread from the governing ruler.
So what do we say? What is Hmongs real Believe then? Hmong have a lot of Story that was carried from generation about the creation called "Ntuj Tsim Teb raug" and Adam and Eve which is called "Nkauj Iab Nraug oo" or in other form called "Nkauj Iab Nraug nab" but with the strictness of the law in China that Hmong was killed for spreading their own believe, they were persecuted, mardered, and was even until the diaspara time. Hmong then made a song which they then tell their story in those song called "Kwv Txhiaj"
So of course Xwm Kab has its own divine power through it but is it because of the Xwm kab itself? or is it because of Believe in the Xwm Kab?
What gives the Xwm kab that power to keep Hmong under its Rule and law?

[NceegVaj]

can u wise ppl shed some light on this whole xwm kab thing to me?

my cousin married into a family after the father passed away...... she lives with her husband and his family... they are quite traditional... so since my cousin's husband is married.. he's considered the head of the household.... so they did a xwm kab... the first time... his mom helped them out... but then the husband start acting strange on several occasions.... she told me and freaked me out.... like he'll do stuff... and it appears it's not his own doing =/ ....so they attributed his strange behavior to the xwm kab being set up wrong...

so then they had a relative from the husband's father's side help them out the second time......... but then at the same time... his mother converted into christianity while still living with them (which i'm told could be a problem?)... so weird shnit keeps happening.... and of course his mother's relationship with the new husband (who came to live with them) got all messed up too........ (that's another whole story)

so i tell my cousin.... why don't ya just go to church w/ your mother-in-law?! maybe that'll stop all these weird stuff.... but her and her husband doesn't want to convert... if they do... then the husband can't "find" his dad after he passed on or whatever... but it's like..... what other options do you have?! anyone know what they can do?

My fellow Hmong....

.............. Don't foolishly believe things you don't understand.  It only matters if you only want to believe.  In other words, unless you intend to carry it out all the way don't mess with it.

Let's share with what I know about XWM KAB LO YEJ.   Two speculation comes up...

• XWM, KAB, & YEJ.  XWM is a male's name.  So was KAB and the people YEJ.  Long ago they were the leaders of the "yij" people.  These were protector leaders at that time...when the war killed them off...the YIJ people worship them...as in our modern time we worship Gen. Vang Pao.  Of course, we are toooo smart to worship GVP as a god but those days...XWM KAB lo YEJ are gods for the yij people which Hmong was under
• In Hmong world, XWM KAB Lo YEJ and TXHIAJ MEEJ PEM XEEB goes together.  You don't do  one forget another.
• I don't think XWM KAB was to "protect" your home as some people said it.  The intend was to bring wealth and stability.  TXHIAJ MEEJ PEM XEEB and DAB NCEJ..and many DABs in the home was the protector...
  

DON'T OVER KILL YOURSELF about this thing...BE A RIGHTOUS PERSON and YOUR LIFE WILL BE SET.