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chidorix0x

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Re: Taking Out Txiv Xaiv of Funeral session
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2012, 10:36:01 PM »
nothing in a mong funeral is required....ex cept qhuab ke, qeej tu siav, qeej nce neeg, and sawv kev.....the rest are just miscellaneous things, and not required.

yaweh

This is something the Hmong community as a whole has been debating for at least the past 10-years now in the US, primarily to cut cost and be more "mainstream" or Westernized.  To an extent I have to agree due to all of the abuses, excessiveness, and un-traditional evolution (add-ons) nowadays.

As much as I enjoy, can appreciate, and respect "txiv coj xai", yes, it can be excluded, even eliminated altogether within a traditional Hmong funeral services/ceremony imho.



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yuknowthat

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Re: Taking Out Txiv Xaiv of Funeral session
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2012, 07:06:39 AM »
Yeah but the Christians don't have to hear and bow to it all night long.  Many were taught from a young age to read and memorize the verses.  Cov txawj mloog txiv xaiv are the Old Gs. 
tus txawj lub hmoob thiab ntawv hmoob thiaj paub cov tseem ntshiab lus ...



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A_New_Beginning

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Re: Taking Out Txiv Xaiv of Funeral session
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2013, 10:53:23 PM »
Yeah but the Christians don't have to hear and bow to it all night long.  Many were taught from a young age to read and memorize the verses.  Cov txawj mloog txiv xaiv are the Old Gs. 

It's all in Hmong, so if you're Hmong you'll know what they're saying. It's proverb, and blessing!!



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chabee

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Re: Taking Out Txiv Xaiv of Funeral session
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2014, 04:00:15 PM »
What I am about to say will probably offend many Hmong Txiv Xaiv because I think that the Txiv Xaiv Part should be taken out especially when foom kom to the children and many relatives. It can be an optional thing for the family of the deceased. I said that because obviously many doesn't know or care what they say and they bow and bow till sunrise. The family of the deceased can be paying up to 1k for just asking the gentlemen to come say a couple lectures about life(don't gamble, don't steal, don't go mess with other people's wives or husband, etc...)

what's your thoughts about it?

I agree! If you're a Christian, just go to church and read the bible. It's all about God's 10 commandments.

If you're not a Christian, just follow what your parents teach you everyday. Do not cheat, don't be lazy, live honestly, blah blah blah.. common sense stuff.



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NeejYagHawj

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Re: Taking Out Txiv Xaiv of Funeral session
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2015, 07:22:44 PM »
Do you guys not know that txiv xaiv is not required during a funeral at all?



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chidorix0x

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Re: Taking Out Txiv Xaiv of Funeral session
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2015, 02:17:04 AM »
Do you guys not know that txiv xaiv is not required during a funeral at all?

...  kekeke  ...   :2funny:

Obviously U did not know that your "BASIC knowledge" is not required whatsoever  ...  KEKEKE  ...   >:D

Ha'HINT:
Txiv Xaiv is a major element/aspect of a/the traditional Hmong/Mong funeral rite/ceremony, exactly like the "kav xwm, tshwj kab, niam ua mov, txiv qeej/nruas etc.".  As for it/their requirements, today within the 21st century, it has become optional/debatable.  As is, or more so with respect/alignment to Hmong/Mong culture/customs and its inherent purpose -- yes, Txiv Xaiv is required, even mandatory, especially where "ib tug laus neeg tau tas sim neej uas muaj tub muaj ki puv vaj puv tsev".  ...  kekeke  ...   O0



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NeejYagHawj

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Re: Taking Out Txiv Xaiv of Funeral session
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2015, 08:09:25 PM »
what a dumas...read your comment a few threads above WHEN YOU ANSWERED YAWEH...being forgetful is an excuse, but being an idiot and contradicting yourself is just you


« Last Edit: September 26, 2015, 08:31:52 PM by NeejYagHawj »

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NeejYagHawj

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Re: Taking Out Txiv Xaiv of Funeral session
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2015, 08:37:29 PM »
here are the things that can't be ignored

1.  qhuabke
2. tusiav
3. tsa neeg
4.  tshais/hmo/su (qeej)
5.sawv kev

if you are in a rush...

1, 2, 3, 5 RE REQUIRED

if you feel that the funeral is not necessary..the n just 1 is required...and then mam li tso plig

here r the people required

1.  kavxim  2. tshwj kab  3, niam ua mov
3. cuab tsav

this the minimum...a funeral can go with these guys...no need for others

qhuab ke = 4  hours, tusiav = 4 hours (unless you are too dumb and repeat the whole qhuabke using the qeej), tshais/su/mo/sawvkev = 5 hours...

meaning that a funeral can be done in 1 days...and be buried the next day.

txiv xaiv is not required but "wanting" only...nothign else...for anyone who doesn't undersatnd this fact, GO HOME TO MOMMY AND LEARN MORE.



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