My critique on the Committee on Hmong Relations Conference in Fresno 8/14/11

[potus]

had to work so missed the sacramento conference..re ally bummed about it.  i wanna throw my support behind this organization but the ones that came before have left me with a bad taste in my mouth.  

[MISS-HMONG-LORD]

On his bio they say Dr. Suav Thao was one of the founder for Hmong Minnesota Bar Association, Hmong Minnesota Golf Association.  Listen to hmong radios sometime bro.  I'm sure they'll be on there more from here on.

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble but what is his/and/or their "Dr." degree in?  I hate to put some of these ppl down but some get their degree in chiropractor and wanting to lead the community.  If he's not my doctor for my back and neck problem, I will not call him/her doctor except in his/her office....as a patient.  I think I had enough doctored degree in social service also, because these guys copied off from each other on their "disessatation" however you wanna spell it.  

We all know enough to say that you do not need to get your Dr degree just for the soul purpose of wanting to be famous or important.  They are important enough in their household, be a great dad, attend PTA meeting, parent conferences, be the father that your son or daughter wanted so that I do not have to shot him for wanting to rob me and my family.


"Anyone can print a Doctor Degree of some website but importantly, can you compete in the same class as you are"

[F-16]

Glad to hear that they have the passion and the energy to do this.  I wish I have that kind of passion.  I'm just helping myself at the moment. 

There's nothing wrong helping yourself now.  Parts of their speeches foucused on helping yourself first before others.  They put in a Hmong way that says ua hauj lwm ntawm yus lub xub ntiag ua ntej uas koj yuav mus pab lwm tus.  Pab lub tebchaws yus ob txhais kaw taw tsuj ua ntej koj yuav mus pab lwm qhov.

[YAX]

I promised that I would critic after attending this conference so here it is.

Positives:  Dr. Soua(Suav) Thao and Dr. Suav Yang were impressive speakers on not only Hmong History but our identity, culture, religion.  Superintendent(Thajkhu) Moua Lia(b) gave me Hmong history in Laos that I've never heard of.  He also gave dates which was impressive.  Dr. Yang Khou, Professor from Stanislaus University gave us satistics from the 2010 Census Bureau that there are 236,400 counted Hmong across America.  We ranked among the poorest at 26% in poverty compare to refugees like Vietnamese, Laotion, Cambodian who came around the same time as us.  Among our population 58% of us were native born and 42% foreign born.  We are still the poorest group because most of our workers across America are still assembly lines rather than management or business owners.  Nao Yeej Moua from Merced spoke about Business development, social economic, economic development, political development.  City council Nao Pue Lor from Merced spoke about how to get involve in American Politics.  They all preached on Hmong needs to help Hmong before other races so we can provide Education, Jobs to our younger generations.

Negatives:  Poor stage set up.  Meeting was 30 minutes behind scheduled.  Not enough young people attended the conference.
Overall grade:  A.

So they're just preaching to the choir then..

[F-16]

had to work so missed the sacramento conference..re ally bummed about it.  i wanna throw my support behind this organization but the ones that came before have left me with a bad taste in my mouth.  

I'm in the same boat as you because I too was heavily involved with HAND in the past.  The difference to me on this from the past ones is that their goal is to achieve so many areas and they call it departments which will be 21+.  They know we have a mountain to climb but just like a baby who doesn't try the first step will never learn how to walk.

[F-16]

Txawjyaim - According to the bios read to us Dr. Suav Yang is currently a Political Science professor at St. Cloud State College in MN.  Dr. Suav Thao earned his MD from Brown in 1998 if I remeber correctly, and Law Degree in 2007 from some college in MN.  Qualification wise these two guys has everything on resume in my opinion.  I don't know about the rest like George Vue, Richard Vue and another Ham guy from Detroit.  I get your points but my opinion is different from yours after seeing so many sawv ntawm ntug cub leaders in Fresno came up rather than someone who has the systems to implement to the public.  A perfect example would be in the case of GVP.  He never had a system where the next person can step up to his plate except his sons who are unknown to the public.

[F-16]

So they're just preaching to the choir then..

No they were not preaching to the choir.  Many attendees were well known Central Valley Masters, PHDs and Business Entrepeuners.  I think they didn't do a very good job outreaching to the youth this time around.

[MISS-HMONG-LORD]

F-16: You're correct that he does teach at the University.  See "rate my professor" link below.  

Dr Shoua Yang, professor:

http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=1185261&page=1

Dr Shoua Thao, MD

http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/xoua_thao/

Dr Richard Vue & George Vue

Came up with nothing, so far:  (Medical doctor or doctored degree?)

http://www.ratemds.com/filecache/searchResults.jsp?ddocname=vue&dgender=M&dcity=&sid=&country=0&dspecialty=

[F-16]

TY - Thanks bro.  Dr. Suav Yang had a low ratings but kids these days just wanted easy grades.   Dr. Suav Thao was amazing live on his hmong vocabulary man.  Some of them I couldn't even understand because it was like poetry in Hmong.

[Reporter]

On his bio they say Dr. Suav Thao was one of the founder for Hmong Minnesota Bar Association, Hmong Minnesota Golf Association.  Listen to hmong radios sometime bro.  I'm sure they'll be on there more from here on.

He was one of the former founders of the Hmong Bar Association in MN, yes. Sen. Mee Moua and a few others were part of that original group.

[nightrider]

Well, the speakers are right about Hmong people being ranked poorest compare to other Asian immigrants. And, social and economic development is the key to catching up with the rest of others. Politics should be the last thing anyone should be thinking about.

[F-16]

Well, the speakers are right about Hmong people being ranked poorest compare to other Asian immigrants. And, social and economic development is the key to catching up with the rest of others. Politics should be the last thing anyone should be thinking about.

Social, economic, political development goes hand in hand so you have to play with all of them to see some light - City Council Nao Pue Lor, Merced from CA.

[Reporter]

There has to be politics but clean politics!

[kye]

TY,

Though, this particular topic is not relevant to this thread, but I beg to differ. Obtaining a Dr. or PhD is not a walk in the park, it is hard work and we have to give credits where it is due. Let's not discount those legitimately pursuing or obtaining it.

On a different note, you are correct that any Dr. or PhD. can not automatically have the knowledge or capacity to lead anyone especially us Hmong. I have seen many act it out and I am afraid to say it is rather embarrassing not to mention self degradation.  

The more we have PhD or Dr. within the hmong community, the more we will be open minded. At this point, we do not have enough as yet.

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble but what is his/and/or their "Dr." degree in?  I hate to put some of these ppl down but some get their degree in chiropractor and wanting to lead the community.  If he's not my doctor for my back and neck problem, I will not call him/her doctor except in his/her office....as a patient.  I think I had enough doctored degree in social service also, because these guys copied off from each other on their "disessatation" however you wanna spell it.  

We all know enough to say that you do not need to get your Dr degree just for the soul purpose of wanting to be famous or important.  They are important enough in their household, be a great dad, attend PTA meeting, parent conferences, be the father that your son or daughter wanted so that I do not have to shot him for wanting to rob me and my family.


"Anyone can print a Doctor Degree of some website but importantly, can you compete in the same class as you are"

[Reporter]

TY,

Though, this particular topic is not relevant to this thread, but I beg to differ. Obtaining a Dr. or PhD is not a walk in the park, it is hard work and we have to give credits where it is due. Let's not discount those legitimately pursuing or obtaining it.

On a different note, you are correct that any Dr. or PhD. can not automatically have the knowledge or capacity to lead anyone especially us Hmong. I have seen many act it out and I am afraid to say it is rather embarrassing not to mention self degradation.   

The more we have PhD or Dr. within the hmong community, the more we will be open minded. At this point, we do not have enough as yet.