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Keeb Kws Moob - Hmong History
« on: September 28, 2011, 04:33:39 PM »
Mej leej twg paub txug peb haiv neeg Moob le Keeb Kwm nua ces paab pav los yog qha tsua peb cov kws tseem tsi tau paub txug le kuv nuav tau nyeem hab kawm seb. Kuv vaam hab ca sab tas koj yuav muaj lub sab dlawb sab zoo tuaj qha tsua peb nua. Ua tsaug ntau tsua koj lub sij hawm os.




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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011, 11:10:46 AM »
Kuv yuav me ntsis li qhov kuv paub..txawm qhov twg tsis meej pem los nej mam li muab kho rau.

Neeg tshwm sim zaum 1 - Neej thiab dab, mi xyoob mi ntoo, mi tsiaj txhu nrog rau 1 puas tsav yam uas muaj sia puav leej hais ib hom lus.

Neeg tshwm sim zaum 2 - Yog lub caij txiv neej yug menyuam, tuag 3 zaug mam li tuag tiag tiag. kab tshoob kev khoob thiaj rhawv muaj, lub mob lub ntshaj thiab li poob los txog, ib siab ob qiag thiaj li mam rhawv tau.

Neeg tshwm sim zaum 3 - Yog lub caij poj niam los yug menyuam, tuag 1 zaug lawm xwb, neej thiab dab, xyoob ntoo, tsiaj txhu nrog rau 1 puas tsav yam uas muaj sav puav leej hais tsis ib hom lus lawm.

Puas muaj leej twg tseem ceev tau cov hauv paus dab neeg xws li:

1. Tus koov nyiaj thiab tus koov kwb     
2. Tooj thiab Hlau   
3. Kab tshoob kev khoob     
4. Neeb yaig       
5. Lus ntees tuag   
6. Lub nrua tuag
7. Rab Qeej
8. Tus txhib ntawg


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Re: Keeb Kws Moob - Hmong History
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011, 05:17:27 PM »
Kuv yuav me ntsis li qhov kuv paub..txawm qhov twg tsis meej pem los nej mam li muab kho rau.

Neeg tshwm sim zaum 1 - Neej thiab dab, mi xyoob mi ntoo, mi tsiaj txhu nrog rau 1 puas tsav yam uas muaj sia puav leej hais ib hom lus.

Neeg tshwm sim zaum 2 - Yog lub caij txiv neej yug menyuam, tuag 3 zaug mam li tuag tiag tiag. kab tshoob kev khoob thiaj rhawv muaj, lub mob lub ntshaj thiab li poob los txog, ib siab ob qiag thiaj li mam rhawv tau.

Neeg tshwm sim zaum 3 - Yog lub caij poj niam los yug menyuam, tuag 1 zaug lawm xwb, neej thiab dab, xyoob ntoo, tsiaj txhu nrog rau 1 puas tsav yam uas muaj sav puav leej hais tsis ib hom lus lawm.

Puas muaj leej twg tseem ceev tau cov hauv paus dab neeg xws li:

1. Tus koov nyiaj thiab tus koov kwb     
2. Tooj thiab Hlau   
3. Kab tshoob kev khoob     
4. Neeb yaig       
5. Lus ntees tuag   
6. Lub nrua tuag
7. Rab Qeej
8. Tus txhib ntawg


Zoo sab uas koj tseem tuaj qha txug Keeb Kwm tsua peb tau kawm hab. Yij meem pav los yog qha moog ntxiv hab nawb vim nwg tseem ceeb heev rau peb cov kws tsi tau paub os...




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Re: Keeb Kws Moob - Hmong History
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 03:54:45 PM »
Tsi muaj leej twg kaam qha ntxiv lawm lov?




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Re: Keeb Kws Moob - Hmong History
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2011, 11:10:57 AM »
Yog xab paub txog hmoob kev xeev xwb ces ntsua muaj nyob txij suav tuam choj los xwb.



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Re: Keeb Kws Moob - Hmong History
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2011, 03:51:58 PM »
Yog xab paub txog hmoob kev xeev xwb ces ntsua muaj nyob txij suav tuam choj los xwb.

Yog koj tsi xaav le caag nua koj sim pav qha txug Kev kws tuab neeg tshwm sim zag 1, zag 2, hab zag 3 tsua peb tau nyeem hab kawm seb? Tuab neeg muaj dlaab tsi hab ua tau dlaab tsi tshwm sim?




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Re: Keeb Kws Moob - Hmong History
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2011, 06:37:51 PM »
Kaus lim, los rau ntawm kuv tau tshawb fawb.
Hmoob muaj keeb kwm nrog kaus lim thiab. Yav thaum Hmoob muaj Hmoob txuj Hmoob ci Hmoob teej Hmoob tug thiab Hmoob muaj Hmoob kab li kev cai khiav Mongolia los. Thaum khiav los txog Hmoob tsis kam Hmoob tej tub ntxhais mus yuav luag haiv neeg xws li Suav, pub thawj, mab thiab lwm yam. Lub sij hawm no Hmoob huaj vam heev thiab sawv daws ntsia Hmoob yam li huab tais thiab ntxhais nom xwb. Tiam sis cov nyob tib txhij nrog Hmoob ces yog Suav ntag. Suav thiab Hmoob muaj kev sib cov nyom yibvim qhov teeb meem Hmoob tsis pub Hmoob tub ntxhais yuav Suav tej Tub ntxhais xwb los mas. Tiam sis muaj ib hnub Hmoob tus ntxhais mus nyiam tau ib tug neeg txawv, nws tsis yog neeg Suav tsis yog neeg pub thawj thiab...qhov no tsis tseem tsis tau tshawb fawb meej meej tias nws yog haiv neeg dabtsi tiam sis Hmoob tus ntxhais no ho mus nyiam nws ces Hmoob tus Huab tais thiaj li tso cai rau nws mus yuav tus tub ntawd. Hmoob tus ntxhais ntawd hu ua NKauj Hmoob xeem lis. Thaum nkawd tau sib yuav lawm nkawd tau khiav mus rau sab hnub tuaj sab ntug dej. Tom qab ntau ntau Xyoo nkawd tau muaj tub ki coob coob puv teb. Thaum Hmoob Huaj Vam mus txog rau nkawd ciam teb Hmoob nug txog lawv caj ces ua cas ho Yog tus Ntxhais Nkauj Lis no tiag. Tos peb Hmoob thiaj li xub muaj npe hu Kaus Lim ua ntej muaj npe hu Yiv Pooj (Yiv Pooj no Hmoob khiav los rau Thaib xwb mam muaj tshwm sim) tiam sis Kaus Lim yog muab hais raws tus ntxhais Nkauj Lis ntawd lub ntag.
Kuv tau nrog ib tug Kaus Lim tuaj Kaus lim teb tham thiab, nws hais tias Hmoob yog lawv Poj Koob txwv Koob vim nyob rau Kaus lim teb Kaus lim tseem ua kev dab kev qhua thiab nws yog yam loj tshaj txhua yam ntseeg nyob rau Kaus lim teb. Yog li peb pom lawm tias Kaus lim yog Hmoob ib pab kwv tij xwb!

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Re: Keeb Kws Moob - Hmong History
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 02:15:17 PM »
CheejSiav, koj has hab qha tau raug sab kawg nkaus le. Yij meem tshawb fawb es tuaj moog pav qha tsua peb ntawm nuav PH nuav tau nyeem hab kawm txug peb haiv neeg Moob nawb. Yog muaj sij hawm nua los ho rov tuaj thaam rau peb tau noog dlua os. Ua tsaug ntau nawb, phooj ywg, CheejSiav.




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Re: Keeb Kws Moob - Hmong History
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2011, 09:38:41 AM »
North Korean yeem yog Hmong coj kwv tij/neej tsa vim lawm yeej tsheem teev hawm Txiv Yawg thiab paub zoo tias Hmoob no yog leej twg tiag. Lub caij thaum Txiv Yawg Tseem kav ntawd...lawm hu ua "The Jiuli Tribe". Jiuli Tribe muaj 9 tug thawj fwm tsav. 1 tug thawj tswj twg kav 9 xeem neeg/clan, tag nrog muaj 81 xeem/clan. Hmong yog pawg loj tshaj ntawm pab Jiuli Tribe. Kuv xav tias Korea yuav tswm yog pawg los yog 1 tug ntawm 9 tug thawj fwm tsav ntawd. Tsis yog li lawm yuav tsis lees paub txov Txiv Yawg. Lub caij no, Hmoob thiab Mab Suav seej sij dhau mus mus los los. Tom qab Txiv Yawg swb rog nrog Suav ces Txiv Yawg tus tub hlob coj ib pawg neeg khiav mus rau sab qab teb. tus tub nriab coj ib pawg mus rau sab qaub teb lawm, ho tus tub yau coj nws pawg neej mus txuam ua mab ua suav tag lawm. 



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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2011, 07:53:18 PM »
North Korean yeem yog Hmong coj kwv tij/neej tsa vim lawm yeej tsheem teev hawm Txiv Yawg thiab paub zoo tias Hmoob no yog leej twg tiag. Lub caij thaum Txiv Yawg Tseem kav ntawd...lawm hu ua "The Jiuli Tribe". Jiuli Tribe muaj 9 tug thawj fwm tsav. 1 tug thawj tswj twg kav 9 xeem neeg/clan, tag nrog muaj 81 xeem/clan. Hmong yog pawg loj tshaj ntawm pab Jiuli Tribe. Kuv xav tias Korea yuav tswm yog pawg los yog 1 tug ntawm 9 tug thawj fwm tsav ntawd. Tsis yog li lawm yuav tsis lees paub txov Txiv Yawg. Lub caij no, Hmoob thiab Mab Suav seej sij dhau mus mus los los. Tom qab Txiv Yawg swb rog nrog Suav ces Txiv Yawg tus tub hlob coj ib pawg neeg khiav mus rau sab qab teb. tus tub nriab coj ib pawg mus rau sab qaub teb lawm, ho tus tub yau coj nws pawg neej mus txuam ua mab ua suav tag lawm. 

Moospej koj tshawb fawb tau zoo heev los qhia rau peb txog rau ntawm Hmoob thiab cov 81 xeem yog li no qhov no kuv twb tau muab ntsuam xyuas lawm thiab. Muaj tseeb tiag tias lub sij hawm no muaj xeem coob coob los sib koom tes ua Cuaj Hli ntuj tiam sis lub sij hawm no nws muaj pab Yellow Emperor thiab tiam sis thaum no lawv yog Txiv Yawg tus Yeeb Ncuab. Thiab rau ntawm 81 ib xeem no lawv muaj li no. Vim nyias muaj nyias pab thiab nyias dab nyias qhua kuj hais nyias kwv tij los kuj yog thiab. kuv yuav muab faib ua cuaj tug nom no.
Yi no yog ib qho classified tau tias lawv yog ib pab rau ntawm "Cuaj Hli Ntuj"

Fang Yi: nws kav cuaj xeem
Huang Yi: Nws kav cuaj xeem
Pai Yi:nws Kav cuaj xeem
Ch'ih Yu (Yi): nws kav cuaj xeem
Hsuan Yi: nws kav cuaj xeem
Feng Yi: nws kav cuaj xeem
Yang Yi: nws kav cuaj xeem
Ch'uan Yi: nws kav cuaj xeem
Yu Yi: nws kuj kav cuaj xeem thiab

thaum koj hais Txiv yawm kav tag nrho 81 xeem...koj sim suav tag nrho cov xeem uas nyias kav nyias ntawd mej Txiv yawg kav thiab cov laj mej pej xeem no lawv raug Txiv Yawg heev los rau ntawm cov coj uas kav cov xeem no. If we look at it its a systematic that is perfectly set in Juili Tribe (Cuaj Hli Ntuj)
Yog li no peb paub lawm tias tej zaum tos Hmoob tsis muaj dab neeg nrog Kaus lim ua tsov ua rog los tej zaum lawv yog ib pab ntawm cov pwb pab xeem no lawm tiam sis tsis paub tseeb tseeb xwb. Yog li thaum Txiv Yawg tuag los Txiv Yawg twb yog lawv huab tais thiab ces lawv thiaj li teev tiam nws txog txij niaj hnub nim no.
Tiam sis yog li no kuv thiaj li xav tshawb fawb ntxiv mus tias yog li no Txiv yawg yog tus kav lub sij hawm no tiam sis cov huab tais ua ntej txiv yawg ne ho yog leej twg? Hmoob tsis muaj txog los tej zaum lawv tsis sawv muaj npe nrov li Txiv Yawg tiam sis kuv xav tej zaum peb tseem yuav muaj huab tais ntau tshaj tib tug muaj npe nrov hu ua Txiv Yawg xwb.



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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2011, 09:27:06 AM »
Zoo heev li, kuv kuj tau ntsib ib tug laus neeg tab sis kuv tseem tsis tau muaj caij mus interview nws. Kuv ntsib nws tom ntees tuag xwb ces twb tsuas tham lus paj paws xwb. nws kum piav tau coj neeg ntawd npe thiab cov Huab Tais Hmong uas ntshwj sim ua ntej Txiv Yawg. Nyob rau hauv Zaj Fiv Yeem Loj nws kuj hu txog Cuaj Khaub Li Ntuj, Nyob rau hauv Zaj Dab Tshwj Loj nws kuj hu txog Cuaj Khaub Li Ntuj thiab. Hmong niaj hnub siv tab sis lawm txhaiv tsis tau coj lus es lawm pheej hais yog lus Suav xwb. Qhov tseem peb yeej cob nrog nraim peb thaib teem hawm lawv.

Yog peb yuav tham txog ua ntej Txiv Yawg lub caij ces peb yuav kim mus rau Kaus Li thiab Yeej Poom teb chaws. Hmong History nyob rau hauv Suav 30-40% thiab li yog tiag xwb. Peb twb nqab tau 60-70% tuaj nrog peb lawm.

Yog leej twg xav nriav keeb kwm Hmong ces nws puav leej nyob tag nrog hauv coj Khaws Koob, Dab Tsuaj, Neeb Yaig, Ntees Tuag/Qeej, Kab Tshoob Kev Kos, Fiv Yeem, thiab coj cag dab neeg. Kav tsij nrhiav kom tau cov kuv listed no ces peb leej tsis paub keeb kwm. Yog peb paub coj no ces tsis thas tshawm nrhiav keeb kwm vim nws tsis muaj qhov yuav los sib txuas tau...muaj piv xam zoo li Zaj Khaws Koob Huab Lag Siv Tsuas Ntxha....qhov muaj tsis pom tab sis tug pob txhab, leeg, nqaij thiab ho paub rov los sib tsuas tau thaum tus neeg txheev zaj khaws koob ntawd. Vim cev nqaij daim tawv paub hom lus ntawd...lawv thiab li ua hauj lwm.




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Re: Keeb Kws Moob - Hmong History
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2011, 03:00:57 PM »
CheejSiav hab Moospej, kuv ua tsaug ntau kws meb tseem siv meb lub sij hawm lug moog tshawb fawb peb haiv neeg Moob le Keeb Kwm lug qha tsua peb ntawm nuav hab. Kuv zoo sab kawg kws tau nyeem hab kawm txug meb cov lug kws meb has tsua hov ntawm nuav. Kuv ntseeg tas peb txhua tug kws tuaj ua si tauv pem tsua hov ntawm PH nuav yuav nrug kuv zoo sab hab ua meb tsaug ntau nua.

Yog tas meb muaj sij hawm los yij meem tshawb fawb ntxiv moog hab, qhov ntawd txha qha tau tsua peb cov hluas kws tseem tsi tau paub peb Moob Keeb Kwm le kuv nua tau nyeem hab kawm moog ntxiv. Again, ua tsaug ntau.




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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2011, 03:05:39 PM »
Zoo heev li, kuv kuj tau ntsib ib tug laus neeg tab sis kuv tseem tsis tau muaj caij mus interview nws. Kuv ntsib nws tom ntees tuag xwb ces twb tsuas tham lus paj paws xwb. nws kum piav tau coj neeg ntawd npe thiab cov Huab Tais Hmong uas ntshwj sim ua ntej Txiv Yawg. Nyob rau hauv Zaj Fiv Yeem Loj nws kuj hu txog Cuaj Khaub Li Ntuj, Nyob rau hauv Zaj Dab Tshwj Loj nws kuj hu txog Cuaj Khaub Li Ntuj thiab. Hmong niaj hnub siv tab sis lawm txhaiv tsis tau coj lus es lawm pheej hais yog lus Suav xwb. Qhov tseem peb yeej cob nrog nraim peb thaib teem hawm lawv.

Yog peb yuav tham txog ua ntej Txiv Yawg lub caij ces peb yuav kim mus rau Kaus Li thiab Yeej Poom teb chaws. Hmong History nyob rau hauv Suav 30-40% thiab li yog tiag xwb. Peb twb nqab tau 60-70% tuaj nrog peb lawm.

Yog leej twg xav nriav keeb kwm Hmong ces nws puav leej nyob tag nrog hauv coj Khaws Koob, Dab Tsuaj, Neeb Yaig, Ntees Tuag/Qeej, Kab Tshoob Kev Kos, Fiv Yeem, thiab coj cag dab neeg. Kav tsij nrhiav kom tau cov kuv listed no ces peb leej tsis paub keeb kwm. Yog peb paub coj no ces tsis thas tshawm nrhiav keeb kwm vim nws tsis muaj qhov yuav los sib txuas tau...muaj piv xam zoo li Zaj Khaws Koob Huab Lag Siv Tsuas Ntxha....qhov muaj tsis pom tab sis tug pob txhab, leeg, nqaij thiab ho paub rov los sib tsuas tau thaum tus neeg txheev zaj khaws koob ntawd. Vim cev nqaij daim tawv paub hom lus ntawd...lawv thiab li ua hauj lwm.



Tej khawv koob thiab taw kev koj hais ko muaj nuj nqis heev li tiam sis ntshai tsam yog yus kawm tau ces neej los dab yuav nrhiav teeb meem rau yus xwb...Yog li koj hais txog ntawm yus sab cev nqaij daim tawv uas paub yam lus yus seev ntawd, tej lus yus seev ntawd twb yog lus suav thiab xwb ne ua cas cov lus suav no ho yuav muaj kuab tag npaum li no ma? Yog lam muaj tau tus txhais tau tag nrho tej khawv koob tej lus mas tej zaum peb yuav paub txog lub ntsiab ntawm tej lus no yog hais txog dabtsi tiag tiag.
Yog li tam sim no muaj 51 dialogue nyob rau suav teb, puas muaj leej twg paub seb pe tsawg yam dialogue tau ploj lawm?



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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2011, 03:46:25 PM »
Tej khawv koob thiab taw kev koj hais ko muaj nuj nqis heev li tiam sis ntshai tsam yog yus kawm tau ces neej los dab yuav nrhiav teeb meem rau yus xwb...Yog li koj hais txog ntawm yus sab cev nqaij daim tawv uas paub yam lus yus seev ntawd, tej lus yus seev ntawd twb yog lus suav thiab xwb ne ua cas cov lus suav no ho yuav muaj kuab tag npaum li no ma? Yog lam muaj tau tus txhais tau tag nrho tej khawv koob tej lus mas tej zaum peb yuav paub txog lub ntsiab ntawm tej lus no yog hais txog dabtsi tiag tiag.
Yog li tam sim no muaj 51 dialogue nyob rau suav teb, puas muaj leej twg paub seb pe tsawg yam dialogue tau ploj lawm?

Hais txog coj lus Suav Hmoob siv ntawd...kuv yeej txhais tau ze li ntawm 40-50% yog qis tus xeeb xeeb lub hwj chim. Cov Xeeb Xeeb uas kuv paub tseem tshuas muaj li ntawm 5 tug uas tseem txhais tau cov lus Khaws Koob/Lus Suav nyob li ntawm 80-99%.




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Re: Keeb Kws Moob - Hmong History
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2011, 01:48:20 PM »
Hais txog coj lus Suav Hmoob siv ntawd...kuv yeej txhais tau ze li ntawm 40-50% yog qis tus xeeb xeeb lub hwj chim. Cov Xeeb Xeeb uas kuv paub tseem tshuas muaj li ntawm 5 tug uas tseem txhais tau cov lus Khaws Koob/Lus Suav nyob li ntawm 80-99%.



Koj hais xeeb xeeb no nws yog tus pab cuam txhais los? Los sis nws yog tus uas yus yuav tsum tau mus nrhiav yog yus xav kom nws txhais xwb na?



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