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Re: Church hmongs vs non church hmongs... a funnie story someone told me..
« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2015, 11:53:45 PM »
It is pretty sad.  My husband told me that his parents only goes to church for their funeral purposes, so that in the future when they do leave us, they will have a church to come do their service.    ::)

almost all hmong people who go to church--they do not believe jesus or god.  they go because they are scared about doing too much during the funeral service to them or their love one. they just want an easy way out of this practice :'(



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Re: Church hmongs vs non church hmongs... a funnie story someone told me..
« Reply #46 on: August 03, 2015, 11:46:47 AM »
almost all hmong people who go to church--they do not believe jesus or god.  they go because they are scared about doing too much during the funeral service to them or their love one. they just want an easy way out of this practice :'(

First half is true. Second half, more of an opinion.

People who go to church tend to not have a strong belief in a divine god. They believe in the church, the people of that church, and follow the ways of that church.  Believing in the church =/= believing in god.

Anyway. going back to the OP.

Not all are like that. However, some are.  I've been to one christian funeral.  And they didn't do the singing part.  They came, prepped the meal for lunch. Ate and left.
To put it bluntly, they came just to "show face." Or as its said "Lawv tuaj kom muaj ntsej muag xwb." The christian religion is not bad.  It's the church and the people.
From what my cousin tells me, they require around 5-10% of your monthly income just to be part of the church.  CRAZY! I know.

The only other part they stayed for was the part where their reverend or whatever his position is did a reading from their bible.  Which was when he basically just preached that christianity is better than all other religions.  Then at the end, they wouldn't even let the relatives stay and watch the coffin overnight.  But we (the relatives) still did.  And on the last day, they claimed because the recently deceased is a member of their church, they are the ones to carry the coffin, not the relatives.  But we weren't having none of that shit, and my older relatives carried the coffin.

Not all christians are bad.  But this specific one I've met.  Yea, duck them.  At the end of the day, the only reason we continued to help out was because we're all family.

Just like when my cousin was moving.  They showed up to help sweep the house (I don't mean sweep spirits, sweep as in sweep dirt). Move a couple of boxes into the car and left.  They were there no longer than 30 minutes.  While we, the family, did everything. They just came to show face.  Hopefully he sees it one day.  Hopefully he comes back and finally sees what a shitty church he goes to.  I'm not saying he has to convert religion.  I'm just saying, I hope he sees they are a piece of shit religion and sees that the most important people is family not some garbage pathetic excuse of a church.



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Re: Church hmongs vs non church hmongs... a funnie story someone told me..
« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2015, 10:42:14 PM »
First half is true. Second half, more of an opinion.

People who go to church tend to not have a strong belief in a divine god. They believe in the church, the people of that church, and follow the ways of that church.  Believing in the church =/= believing in god.

Anyway. going back to the OP.

Not all are like that. However, some are.  I've been to one christian funeral.  And they didn't do the singing part.  They came, prepped the meal for lunch. Ate and left.
To put it bluntly, they came just to "show face." Or as its said "Lawv tuaj kom muaj ntsej muag xwb." The christian religion is not bad.  It's the church and the people.
From what my cousin tells me, they require around 5-10% of your monthly income just to be part of the church.  CRAZY! I know.

The only other part they stayed for was the part where their reverend or whatever his position is did a reading from their bible.  Which was when he basically just preached that christianity is better than all other religions.  Then at the end, they wouldn't even let the relatives stay and watch the coffin overnight.  But we (the relatives) still did.  And on the last day, they claimed because the recently deceased is a member of their church, they are the ones to carry the coffin, not the relatives.  But we weren't having none of that shit, and my older relatives carried the coffin.

Not all christians are bad.  But this specific one I've met.  Yea, duck them.  At the end of the day, the only reason we continued to help out was because we're all family.

Just like when my cousin was moving.  They showed up to help sweep the house (I don't mean sweep spirits, sweep as in sweep dirt). Move a couple of boxes into the car and left.  They were there no longer than 30 minutes.  While we, the family, did everything. They just came to show face.  Hopefully he sees it one day.  Hopefully he comes back and finally sees what a shitty church he goes to.  I'm not saying he has to convert religion.  I'm just saying, I hope he sees they are a piece of shit religion and sees that the most important people is family not some garbage pathetic excuse of a church.

singing is nothing more than for fun...and I speak from experience.  both my brothers were going to church, and they each is going to different church.  they both told me exactly why they are going to church. 

typical, if you can convict the wife to go to church, then the husband would just follow.  and, there is no way that a husband would convict the wife to go to church--especially for hmong people...



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Re: Church hmongs vs non church hmongs... a funnie story someone told me..
« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2015, 10:44:51 PM »
singing is nothing more than for fun...and I speak from experience.  both my brothers were going to church, and they each is going to different church.  they both told me exactly why they are going to church. 

typical, if you can convict the wife to go to church, then the husband would just follow.  and, there is no way that a husband would convict the wife to go to church--especially for hmong people...

If that is what you believe than so be it.

Some of us do not go to church or sing for fun.  It lifts our spirits. raises our morale and makes us stronger.  For when we are down on our luck and hopeless, singing or even praying can give us hope and make us stronger and overcome the obstacles.

Why do your brothers go to church?



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« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2015, 11:25:41 AM »
"People who go to church tend to not have a strong belief in a divine god. They believe in the church, the people of that church, and follow the ways of that church.  Believing in the church =/= believing in god.:"


i don't think this is right at all.  on the contrary, they go to church (i'm talking about mong only) because they do not  have a strong believe in a devine god....THAT IS WHY THEY CONVERTED INTO CHRISTAINITY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

if the claim is true, then they would uphold their belief in their devine god.  its almost hypocritical to say such a thing or to think of such a thing.



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« Reply #50 on: November 30, 2015, 11:43:30 AM »
Doesn't matter what YOU or I think.  What matters is the truth.  And while it's not true for everyone, it is true for many church members I know.  Their faith isn't exactly in god, but rather whatever church they belong to.  I know many who have left their religion after a falling out with the church.  If their belief was with god,  they would not leave him when they had a falling out with their church since their faith isn't in the church.  But it is the reality for those folks.  God only existed to them through the church. 

Back to OP's statement.
I went to a funeral not too long ago.  It was a Shaman funeral.  The first night I went home and came back early in the morning, but I stayed the rest of the weekend (The whole thing lasted Friday Morning to sunday noon). The extended family of the deceased has both sides, Those who believe in god and those who were shaman.  But guess who did most of the work?  The ones who believe in god.  We stayed there overnight.  We prepped the food.  We did just about everything.  Some of the relatives from the Shaman side didn't even bother to show up, and if they did, they showed up for a few minutes.

No clue what they're reason is.  But it only proves the point that it's the people, but the religion.  Because even those who are shamanism choose to be ****s to their own relatives when it comes to funerals. 

And to add insult.  The deceased's child or grandchild who made the slideshow about the deceased, showed picture of just about all the relatives, talked about how his family loved him.  Named every relative.  But there was one major thing missing. None of the converted family members were listed.  Despite all that the converted family members did, they were ignored. 

Is this the blame of shamanism? No.  It's the blame of the people.



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« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2015, 11:03:38 PM »
almost all hmong people who go to church--they do not believe jesus or god.  they go because they are scared about doing too much during the funeral service to them or their love one. they just want an easy way out of this practice :'(

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Re: Church hmongs vs non church hmongs... a funnie story someone told me..
« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2015, 03:41:08 PM »
Doesn't matter what YOU or I think.  What matters is the truth.  And while it's not true for everyone, it is true for many church members I know.  Their faith isn't exactly in god, but rather whatever church they belong to.  I know many who have left their religion after a falling out with the church.  If their belief was with god,  they would not leave him when they had a falling out with their church since their faith isn't in the church.  But it is the reality for those folks.  God only existed to them through the church. 

Back to OP's statement.
I went to a funeral not too long ago.  It was a Shaman funeral.  The first night I went home and came back early in the morning, but I stayed the rest of the weekend (The whole thing lasted Friday Morning to sunday noon). The extended family of the deceased has both sides, Those who believe in god and those who were shaman.  But guess who did most of the work?  The ones who believe in god.  We stayed there overnight.  We prepped the food.  We did just about everything.  Some of the relatives from the Shaman side didn't even bother to show up, and if they did, they showed up for a few minutes.

No clue what they're reason is.  But it only proves the point that it's the people, but the religion.  Because even those who are shamanism choose to be ****s to their own relatives when it comes to funerals. 

And to add insult.  The deceased's child or grandchild who made the slideshow about the deceased, showed picture of just about all the relatives, talked about how his family loved him.  Named every relative.  But there was one major thing missing. None of the converted family members were listed.  Despite all that the converted family members did, they were ignored. 

Is this the blame of shamanism? No.  It's the blame of the people.

They need to stop doing those slideshow if it's not going to have everyone in there unless asked but they choose not to contrubuted photos.  One funeral I didn't attend but my husband did because even though are White Hmong Vang clan they associated with my husband Green clan.  My husband was like when they put the slideshow it only show either 1st or 2nd wife kids but not the other.  The other children was not happy and want to go at it there at the funeral but the elders told them after funeral is over we can talk about the issues.  I do know that 1st wife kids and 2nd wife kids do not get along but shared the same father.....oh well.....

When we did it for my in-laws we didn't care too much and they can do whatever with photos they can find of us.....

If it was me I would never do it unless I dedicated the whole slideshow of that one person life from the beginning and the end but closed it off with a few family photos.....



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Re: Church hmongs vs non church hmongs... a funnie story someone told me..
« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2015, 03:46:57 PM »
They need to stop doing those slideshow if it's not going to have everyone in there unless asked but they choose not to contrubuted photos.  One funeral I didn't attend but my husband did because even though are White Hmong Vang clan they associated with my husband Green clan.  My husband was like when they put the slideshow it only show either 1st or 2nd wife kids but not the other.  The other children was not happy and want to go at it there at the funeral but the elders told them after funeral is over we can talk about the issues.  I do know that 1st wife kids and 2nd wife kids do not get along but shared the same father.....oh well.....

When we did it for my in-laws we didn't care too much and they can do whatever with photos they can find of us.....

If it was me I would never do it unless I dedicated the whole slideshow of that one person life from the beginning and the end but closed it off with a few family photos.....

Yea.  Been to one where the slideshow was their history it was around 30 minutes long... it cut off at the 15 minute mark. supposably the machine fried..

I would consider including the immediate descendants along with the siblings and parents.  Might not even need all, just one family portrait.  When you choose to have the extended families, it just goes on and on and someone might be left out.  Acknowledge the relatives in word, don't need them in photos.  No need to go through a life story.  But just some moments to remember the person and what they leave behind.  But I guess. to each their own. 



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