OWS (Occupy Wall Street)... what do these people really want?

[MilesDaddy]

Aren't unions the reason why we get shitty cars from GM? Workers who get paid too much for doing crap? Walmart employees don't have a union but who cares if the service is bad, the products work and they're cheap. If Walmart products were so bad no one would be shopping there and they'd end up like KMart, a ghost town.

So what do we get from GM? Cars no one wants, only white-washed minorities or white power people buy those. Don't believe me? Just remember my post the next time you see a car dead on the road, I bet you it'll be a Meeka car.

not even close..... Employees that are Union make cars.... nothing more, the design is left to someone else.... employees, union or not are just the labor.....

[MilesDaddy]

In my opinion, this country would not be where its at without unions...who help employees keep their jobs....so companies are obligated to keep their employees.....

(I am not a union member nor have I ever been. but unions helped build this country)

no company is obligated to keep ANY employees.... even the State CA laid off workers

[Gutts]

I agree.  We should have access to the adult forum.  What a bunch of greedy mods.  lol

[Xyooj96]

Of course, government workers will get better benefits. It's just natural.  Corporate greed limits benefits and forces you to insure yourself.

You must be really rich to be supporting the GOP.

geesh, just become your view is different does not mean you support one political group over the other. get over it dude

[Xyooj96]

In my opinion, this country would not be where its at without unions...who help employees keep their jobs....so companies are obligated to keep their employees.....

(I am not a union member nor have I ever been. but unions helped build this country)

i disagree totally, i've been a teamster for half a decade, the only time the union really comes to discuss issues with you is when they are about to negotiate a new contract with the company. being in america, i found it difficult to understand why i have to pay off a gangster group in order to keep my job.

[Xyooj96]

You are the one who went on a tangent and brought up derivatives without explaining its correlation to the topic at hand.  

takes too long to explain to ....

but do you believe the vast majority of people understood their mortgages during those creative financial time?

[Xyooj96]

I did, its not my fault you don't comprehend.

 

[evil-in-deed]

unions have their pros and cons... they are made to do good but people can take advantage of it too(includes all classes)...

getting rid of unions is not a good idea and letting them have too much power is also not a good idea...

as of right now... unions are not the main problem with the economy... the regulations are the problem... the regulations are put in place by the government; the government is controlled by the wealthy...

hence... massive tax cuts for the rich...

the teaparty sees the government placing the unfair regulations... the ows sees the wealthy getting away with it... both have a common enemy...

ps... adult section is open for anyone whom requests it from admins...

[MilesDaddy]

unions have their pros and cons... they are made to do good but people can take advantage of it too(includes all classes)...

getting rid of unions is not a good idea and letting them have too much power is also not a good idea...

as of right now... unions are not the main problem with the economy... the regulations are the problem... the regulations are put in place by the government; the government is controlled by the wealthy...

hence... massive tax cuts for the rich...

the teaparty sees the government placing the unfair regulations... the ows sees the wealthy getting away with it... both have a common enemy...

ps... adult section is open for anyone whom requests it from admins...

IMO it's a great idea.... especially the PUBLIC EMPLOYEE UNIONS.. why are state and government workers making on average more then the people in the economy in the areas they service. Especially those TEACHERS... of course the unions want smaller class sizes, because that would mean that more UNION teachers get hires, which means more money in the union coffers every single month...UNIONS had there place in socitey but not any more...


MASSIVE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH......so how many employees do you employee? Should I make less then my employees because I am the RICH business owner? I am the one who sweat and bleed this place I sold my house to buy this place and used my money to HIRE YOU, when do I get paid? if My rent is $4,000 per month I still have to have the money to pay for it.. even if I get a credit at the end of the year..... Don't you get a tax credit for renting your apartment? or owning a home? what is so difference? My parents are business owners, no one helped them.... can I borrow some money for my IRA? I paid all my employees and I have nothing left this month, what can you do for me....Even if these RI$CH businesses can wright something off they still have to have money to pay for it up front.

[evil-in-deed]

IMO it's a great idea.... especially the PUBLIC EMPLOYEE UNIONS.. why are state and government workers making on average more then the people in the economy in the areas they service. Especially those TEACHERS... of course the unions want smaller class sizes, because that would mean that more UNION teachers get hires, which means more money in the union coffers every single month...UNIONS had there place in socitey but not any more...


MASSIVE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH......so how many employees do you employee? Should I make less then my employees because I am the RICH business owner? I am the one who sweat and bleed this place I sold my house to buy this place and used my money to HIRE YOU, when do I get paid? if My rent is $4,000 per month I still have to have the money to pay for it.. even if I get a credit at the end of the year..... Don't you get a tax credit for renting your apartment? or owning a home? what is so difference? My parents are business owners, no one helped them.... can I borrow some money for my IRA? I paid all my employees and I have nothing left this month, what can you do for me....Even if these RI$CH businesses can wright something off they still have to have money to pay for it up front.

unions play a big part in american society and it would do the rest of the world good too if they have unions... but sometimes the unions do get too powerful and thats when they become corrupted with greed...

without unions, there would be no set limit... everyone would get the lowest pay from companies... so unions set the bar for better pay... however when a country is facing a downfall, unions should lower the bar as well...

massive tax cut is a double edge sword... you are only considering the companies that employ workers in the country; those companies would benefit from tax cuts... but if you factor the companies that employs oversea workers, then the effects would do damage to our country and the companies in our country...

ex... simple form...

us co that hires us workers vs us co that hires oversea workers... both co makes the same products...

us co worth $1000 - 0% tax... pays $10 to us worker... sell products for $20...

us co worth $1000 - 0% tax... pays $1 to oversea worker... sell products for $10...

both are competing in prices... of course the us co with oversea workers will out sell the us co with us workers...

after 10 years...

us co worth $500 - 0% tax... pays $10 to us worker... sell products for $15...

us co worth $2000 - 0% tax... pays $1 to oversea worker... sell products for $5...

now you have two options to correct this... either start taxing the $2000 co or start cutting the pay of the $10 worker...

which do you think will benefit america?... both its employers and employees...

[Evil_K_Man]

takes too long to explain to ....

but do you believe the vast majority of people understood their mortgages during those creative financial time?

Since you lack the proficiency to debate, do me a favor and “DON’T” explain your fruitless endeavor.

Do I believe the vast majority of people understood their mortgages, yes and no.  YES in that they only thought about short term gains and had their self-interest at heart (i.e. how a pure capitalistic market would work) which led them to not read the fine prints of their mortgage thoroughly and NO in that they were most likely suckered by the banks (i.e. another example of what happens when capitalism gets creativity without any “outside” forces).

[Evil_K_Man]

 

Like, most of the conservative debaters on this forum...it seems the only way to refute your opponent's arguement is via Emoticons...

Lol...but I didn't really expect anything serious out of you.

[petsdraw]

It's obvious what they are protesting just by the name of the protest, "The 99%."

hegemony: the social, cultural, ideological, or economic influence exerted by a dominant group (aka that 1%)

They want to take control of their lives.  They want to stop being tools/puppets of those in power.

The following are excerpts from Antonio Gramsci, a socialist newspaper editor from the early part of the 20th century.

…power can be maintained without force if the consent of the dominated can be obtained through education and through other kinds of cultural labor on the part of such intellectuals as priests and journalists.”

The intellectuals are the dominant group's "deputies" exercising the Subaltern(lower ranking) functions
of social hegemony and political government

These comprise:

The "spontaneous" consent given by the great masses of the population to the general direction imposed on social life by the dominant fundamental group; this consent is “historically" caused by the prestige (and consequent confidence) which the dominant group enjoys because of its position and function in the world of production.

The apparatus of state coercive power which "legally" enforces discipline on those  groups who do not “consent" either actively or passively. This apparatus is, however, constituted for the whole of society in anticipation of moments of crisis of command and direction when spontaneous consent has failed.