body and soul

[Xyooj96]

do you think/believe that every physical body has a soul? 

both organic and non-organic

share your insights, experiences, thoughts, cons/pros, etc

[petsdraw]

maybe...

but the only thing we can be absolutely certain of is that we are alive here and now so live it up...take some time to live for yourself and not just grind your life away as a tool of society.

If there is or isn't a soul isn't something something that can be factually answered but it is an answer we will all find eventually when we reach the end of our lives.  So be patient and enjoy the time you have...

[Xyooj96]

what's your point? 

is there or is there not?

maybe...

but the only thing we can be absolutely certain of is that we are alive here and now so live it up...take some time to live for yourself and not just grind your life away as a tool of society.

If there is or isn't a soul isn't something something that can be factually answered but it is an answer we will all find eventually when we reach the end of our lives.  So be patient and enjoy the time you have...

[8v10un30sun]

I believe in a soul...our body is merely an organic representation of our soul which operates at a much higher dimension than our current space-time.  Btw, this concept has the potential to fit into string theory of complex dimensions  An example, is a 1d being cannot comprehend a 2d and 2d cannot comprehend a 3d and so forth.  So what does a 11D comprehend?     Many culture has the concept of third eye...these days the third eye is said to have sight during our dreams or during psychedelic experiences.  It is also said that a "shaman" is capable of opening this third eye during their trance to see into the spirit world.

I know bunch of mumbo jumbo...no hard science, but not everything can be explain with numbers and formula - consciousness.

[8v10un30sun]

Pepper what is up with your attidue?  Living up to your name? 

[8v10un30sun]

just dishing out the facts. 

Snapshots - don't mean anything tomorrow.

[8v10un30sun]

well then stop crying about it. 

You seem to be crying over spilled milk here.  Chillax would you?

[8v10un30sun]

here. hopefully this makes you feel better. no more tears okay?

Sorry I'm at work...Can't see your youtube video or pictures.  Please try again.

[tetrapod]

Soul is wishful thinking.

Might make more sense to ask about the mind and the brain.

Is the mind and the brain the same thing?  No.  A dead brain is still a brain.  A mind is the manifestation of a living brain.  The brain is like the source code of a program and hardware and the mind is like the live process of the running program.  Corrupt the code and the program will never be the same.  We see this in mental illness, brain damage from injury, brain loss due to old age.  We could lose so much of our brain that we are no longer the same person.  If we had a soul, the soul would not be affected by physical damage and it would have a way to communicate without the need of our body.  Otherwise, there leaves no room for a soul other than our wish to stay alive after we are dead.

[Sentinel_Li]

Soul is wishful thinking.

Might make more sense to ask about the mind and the brain.

Is the mind and the brain the same thing?  No.  A dead brain is still a brain.  A mind is the manifestation of a living brain.  The brain is like the source code of a program and hardware and the mind is like the live process of the running program.  Corrupt the code and the program will never be the same.  We see this in mental illness, brain damage from injury, brain loss due to old age.  We could lose so much of our brain that we are no longer the same person.  If we had a soul, the soul would not be affected by physical damage and it would have a way to communicate without the need of our body.  Otherwise, there leaves no room for a soul other than our wish to stay alive after we are dead.

Well, medicine doesn't know a fraction of the functions and capability of the human brain.  There are near death experiences that have been reported with a person being clinically labeled "deceased," who have miracously come back to life to report experiences no organic brain can coherently manifest.  It is not really wishful thinking, it is really unexplored territory.

[tetrapod]

Well, medicine doesn't know a fraction of the functions and capability of the human brain.  There are near death experiences that have been reported with a person being clinically labeled "deceased," who have miracously come back to life to report experiences no organic brain can coherently manifest.  It is not really wishful thinking, it is really unexplored territory.

Near death experience is also reported in pilots who passed out in spinning test. 

[8v10un30sun]

Near death experience is also reported in pilots who passed out in spinning test.  

G-loc, NDE, using drugs to enter a psychodelic state and etc... allows the human mind to enter what I call the etherstream.  In my opinion, the etherstream is the information super highway that connects all living consciousness.  There have been many reports of great geniuses that suddenly wakes up and go AH-HA or have a deja-vu.  How does these geniuses come up with something so radical by sleeping on it?  Even in our Hmong culture we talked about the etherstream when handling difficult situation...we are asked to double/triple the pillow and sleep on it.

I've spent a bit of time researching this topic and my conclusion (personal opinion only) is there is the etherstream or maybe some can call it the godstream if they want.  In aztec or inca time they talked about the third eye and higher consciousness.

I was AMAZED that Steve Job talked about the ethestream indirectly...h e called it the LSD and drug usage psychodelic.    This might be why is liver crapped out...THis again points to that the etherstream when tapped (as I believe) allows a person to go way beyond his intellectual ability - a flash of genius.  It is said that some people only have one of these in their life time...Steve Job had numerous and extremely well above the standard.  We will never know because he probably never talked about his spiritual side and spiritual belief much.  It sad to have not been able to truly document why he was so awesome.  He took with him ot the grave his true secrets.

[Xyooj96]

sounds like you think science is the answer? 

not too long ago, a little girl five years old did not eat at all so she was very skinny. her parents, being the "modern" don't believe in the hmong traditions. they did nothing, and the girl has gone to hospital several times over a few months because she could not breath.

well, one of their great aunt come to visit their cousin. the aunt was told about this child. the aunt flew in to check on this girl, the aunt do her hmong rituals (khauv kuam) on the girl, without the parents permission too. that aunt is their grandfather's sister. she became furious at the parents for failing to take care of the child. the aunt demand to do a shaman ritual (thaj neeb) that weekend, and normally that would cost $1200 for it. that weekend, the parents got no choice by to do the ritual. so the ritual was performed, and the aunt told them at after 3 days the child will eat again and become normal and happy as before. after three days, the child turn out exactly as the aunt said.

well, the parents later told everyone that they went fishing and the girl fell into the ocean. she was frighten. the aunt said the little girl's soul (plig) is about to recarnated and the parents are too stupid to realize. the modern doctors did not know what is with this girl. the father is a biochemist and the mother is working in a psych clinic.

Soul is wishful thinking.

Might make more sense to ask about the mind and the brain.

Is the mind and the brain the same thing?  No.  A dead brain is still a brain.  A mind is the manifestation of a living brain.  The brain is like the source code of a program and hardware and the mind is like the live process of the running program.  Corrupt the code and the program will never be the same.  We see this in mental illness, brain damage from injury, brain loss due to old age.  We could lose so much of our brain that we are no longer the same person.  If we had a soul, the soul would not be affected by physical damage and it would have a way to communicate without the need of our body.  Otherwise, there leaves no room for a soul other than our wish to stay alive after we are dead.

[tetrapod]

sounds like you think science is the answer? 

not too long ago, a little girl five years old did not eat at all so she was very skinny. her parents, being the "modern" don't believe in the hmong traditions. they did nothing, and the girl has gone to hospital several times over a few months because she could not breath.

well, one of their great aunt come to visit their cousin. the aunt was told about this child. the aunt flew in to check on this girl, the aunt do her hmong rituals (khauv kuam) on the girl, without the parents permission too. that aunt is their grandfather's sister. she became furious at the parents for failing to take care of the child. the aunt demand to do a shaman ritual (thaj neeb) that weekend, and normally that would cost $1200 for it. that weekend, the parents got no choice by to do the ritual. so the ritual was performed, and the aunt told them at after 3 days the child will eat again and become normal and happy as before. after three days, the child turn out exactly as the aunt said.

well, the parents later told everyone that they went fishing and the girl fell into the ocean. she was frighten. the aunt said the little girl's soul (plig) is about to recarnated and the parents are too stupid to realize. the modern doctors did not know what is with this girl. the father is a biochemist and the mother is working in a psych clinic.

It could very well be a coincident. 

Hmong people are notorious for associate an event as the cause of something.

See a snake in the house and a month later a child die, the snake cause the child to die.

In your example, the shaman did something and the girl got well.  But it doesn't mean it was the shaman that made the girl well.  It could very well be that the girl just got well at the time the shaman did what the shaman did.

[Xyooj96]

there are certain things that sciences cannot explain.

growing up in the modern american world, i did go to church, teach sunday schools, etc...
i've worked in the science field for a few years too.

my personal experience is when i was a teenage, every time the day is sunny and has a rain in any part of the day, then right after the rain, i would have bloody nose for few hours; sometimes to the point that i had to go the hospital. when we moved up to live in the state with lots of hmong people, one of my uncles did a hmong ritual called khawvkoob when i had my nose bleeding. ever since that ritual i have never had bloody nose in my life to these days. his explanation was that my soul (plig) needed to be appeased; i remember that he just took a bowl of warm water and tap on the back of my neck, my forehead, then i took a sip of that water afterward.

i use to hate hmong rituals too. i think most part of my hating is that i did not understand the rituals, or that i did not know the rituals, they were difficult to learn as well.

another interesting thing is that one of the hmong medical doctors became a hmong shaman as well. he became very sick and the elders said he has to become a shaman in order for him to be well. since he became a shaman, he's not sick.

It could very well be a coincident. 

Hmong people are notorious for associate an event as the cause of something.

See a snake in the house and a month later a child die, the snake cause the child to die.

In your example, the shaman did something and the girl got well.  But it doesn't mean it was the shaman that made the girl well.  It could very well be that the girl just got well at the time the shaman did what the shaman did.