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Offline Xyooj96

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let the debate begin....employees and employers
« on: October 28, 2011, 05:11:39 PM »

To All My Valued Employees,

There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job.

What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country. Of course, as your employer, I am forbidden to tell you whom to vote for - it is against the law to discriminate based on political affiliation, race, creed, religion, etc.

Please vote for who you think will serve your interests the best. However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interest. First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a back story.

This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You saw my big home at last years Christmas party. I'm sure all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life. However, what you don't see is the back story.

I started this company 12 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living space was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the Goodwill store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's.

My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business --- with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9 am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5 pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, ****, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to me like a 1 day old baby.

You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations. You never realize the back story and the sacrifices I've made. Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail out all the people who didn't.

The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for. Yes, business ownership has its benefits, but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds. Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why: I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.

The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check?

Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country. The fact is, if I deducted (really, stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy. Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the mud of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine.

Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep. So where am I going with all this? It's quite simple. If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem any more. Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire.

You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

While tax cuts to 95% of America sounds great on paper, don't forget the back story: If there is no job, there is no income to tax. A tax cut on zero dollars is zero. So, when you make decision to vote, ask yourself, who understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger
your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of saving your job. While the media wants to tell you "It's the economy Stupid" I'm telling you it isn't.

If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the Constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me in the South Caribbean sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

Signed, Your boss,

Michael A. Crowley, PE
Crowley, Crisp & Associates, Inc.
Professional Engineers
1906 South Main Street, Suite 122
Wake Forest, NC 27587
Phone: 919.562.8860 x22
Fax: 919.562.8872

This is a real letter.



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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 09:53:09 PM »

hmmm...... ::)

did the cat got your tongue?  :P

let's hear from you  :)



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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 11:47:24 PM »
To the employer,

quit your whining. We all know, you can write off taxes to offset your tax and plenty of loop holes for you to escape "high" tax. If the average person has that kind of power, it would be right for you employers to whine. What a pathetic plead and it's so obvious of the intent to persuade on political lines. You should be jailed and @$$ raped.




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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2011, 10:22:47 AM »
Wtf IS THAT EVEN REAL?  Just say yah right!  That's a dumb threat by a stuck up whole of a boss.  I'd like to see you try to shut done this cockpany because no entrepreneur can shut down their company until their funds run dry.  Stupid threat.



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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 04:00:33 AM »
Remember you don't own the company...they do wat ever pleases them. The turth is you are a no body ..i'm a no body in my company.. that bring to my one subject, why ur own hmong ppl pushing you to work harder, wen their time cums up.. hey you gonna get let go just like i am... and the rest.. just do wat you have to do to feed ur families..
I've been in 2 massavie lay off.. 1st comp, went to Mex. The 2 went to China..lol i don't blame the corp. Thet own you not the other way around. Lol thruth be told...



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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 08:41:58 PM »
Hmong republicans will never understand that because they are too rich.



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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2011, 10:00:08 AM »
Hmong republicans will never understand that because they are too rich.

Recent polls showed that the state with the highest percentage of rich people are Dems state, but are also the highest percentage of poor people too.



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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2011, 09:20:28 PM »
Over time, the wages that are being paid in the US will probably have to match the wages that are being paid internationall y.  I don't think there's anything you can do to stop things from happening.  Although you have "poor" people in the US, consider other poor people internationall y who will work for less than the American worker.  I think that's what it really comes down to.



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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2011, 09:47:23 PM »
To the employer,

quit your whining. We all know, you can write off taxes to offset your tax and plenty of loop holes for you to escape "high" tax. If the average person has that kind of power, it would be right for you employers to whine. What a pathetic plead and it's so obvious of the intent to persuade on political lines. You should be jailed and @$$ raped.


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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2011, 09:53:39 PM »
Wtf IS THAT EVEN REAL?  Just say yah right!  That's a dumb threat by a stuck up whole of a boss.  I'd like to see you try to shut done this cockpany because no entrepreneur can shut down their company until their funds run dry.  Stupid threat.

well, perhaps you should contact the company if it's a real letter?

business owners do seem to have a different mindset, and i've been once in a company that have moved overseas due to high demands from the employees and the unions. sad that about 1000 of us got left with nothing and good pays then, the company could pay 10 people overseas for what it paid one of us in the states.



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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2011, 09:59:29 PM »
Remember you don't own the company...they do wat ever pleases them. The turth is you are a no body ..i'm a no body in my company.. that bring to my one subject, why ur own hmong ppl pushing you to work harder, wen their time cums up.. hey you gonna get let go just like i am... and the rest.. just do wat you have to do to feed ur families..
I've been in 2 massavie lay off.. 1st comp, went to Mex. The 2 went to China..lol i don't blame the corp. Thet own you not the other way around. Lol thruth be told...

yeah, you gotta to experience to understand the employer's side of the story. most employee only understand their side of the story.

i read somewhere that 90% work for remaining 10%  ::)


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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2011, 10:06:07 PM »
If his company goes under, it's because of stupid statements like these. Nobody else. The government and its current office holders that don't abide by his political views is the red herring, strawman, scapegoat, or whatever you wanna call it.

I'll bet he lost a few clients just because of this letter.



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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2011, 10:24:56 PM »
If his company goes under, it's because of stupid statements like these. Nobody else. The government and its current office holders that don't abide by his political views is the red herring, strawman, scapegoat, or whatever you wanna call it.

I'll bet he lost a few clients just because of this letter.


maybe i'm not seeing it, but does this letter point to any political party?
or express any political party's views?

being in the engineering field for most of my life, most clients are about the lowest bidder with the capacities to complete their projects on time, on budget, with at least the prescribed qualities.



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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2011, 10:33:45 PM »
maybe i'm not seeing it, but does this letter point to any political party?
or express any political party's views?

being in the engineering field for most of my life, most clients are about the lowest bidder with the capacities to complete their projects on time, on budget, with at least the prescribed qualities.

I guess in your case, it has to be made obvious.



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Re: let the debate begin....employees and employers
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2011, 11:06:41 PM »
Recent polls showed that the state with the highest percentage of rich people are Dems state, but are also the highest percentage of poor people too.
Just say it.... California and New York......Just because they are rich and they are Democrats does not mean that they are the only one doing it right....about the thread... a private business can do what ever they want to stay afloat...They will keep whomever is seen as an asset at let go of dead weight....



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