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How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« on: November 15, 2011, 07:57:38 PM »
HELP!!!! Anyone!! Had never done this line in the past....

Can anyone please post on how to ua tsuag thaum tso plig rau ib tug tuag lawm??? Like a final farewell after a year or so... Heard it's a little bit different from the actual xyom cuab "Ua Tsaug" at the funeral services.



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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2011, 10:21:15 AM »
seb yog ua tsaug dabtsi ma?  nyiaj txiag??  dagzog??  ua qhua?  su?  mo?  tshavntuj?  cov no nwg muaj nws thiab...

tsi tag li, seb koj yog hmoob white or hmong green thiab...vim tias cov hmong white changed many of the wordings in the past few years, making it very "smooth" at times and even "comical" at times...

to understand ua tsaug, you have to understand where it came from....when the hmong king got killed by the chinese (some say it was chiyu...some say it wasn't him), the mong were not allowed to go get his body for a proper funeral burial.  so...the chinese waited until his body is rotted out...except the bone...and the shield (this is the lub kauj vab came about), and the clothing.   his body also still has a sword stuck in his body (this is how the chinese killed him).

so...the mong plead and plead...and the chinese finally allowed mong to bury the body....but there is not body..only bones..and rot out clothing...wha t's left are the bones, torned cothing, the sword, and the shield...so the mong picked up everything and put them on the inner side of the shield and carried it home for burial.  because there is no body, the regular funeral wasn't not performed...in stead, they decided to "tso plig"...

so....because there was no body, they wer enot sure how to 'dress" up the bones...so they decided to make handles onto the shield and put the clothing over it.  they had to remove the sword too.....and remove the shield from the bones/clothing....

so ua tsaug is nothing more than repeating what they have done..."nkauj plig rov los daws nkauj vab (the shield) nkauj lev (shield) ntawm ntaj (sword) ntawm duav, ntawm hmab ntawm suav, koj tsi cia li, koj ho xav kwv xav tij, xav neej xav tsav....and then the same words as in regular funeral...."

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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2011, 12:24:54 PM »
HELP!!!! Anyone!! Had never done this line in the past....

Can anyone please post on how to ua tsuag thaum tso plig rau ib tug tuag lawm??? Like a final farewell after a year or so... Heard it's a little bit different from the actual xyom cuab "Ua Tsaug" at the funeral services.

I thought you "ua tsaug" only at the actual funeral, not at the spirit-releasing ceremony. And you "ua tsaug" only if someone donates. If they don't, and you are just so pleased to have their visit, you simply say "ua tsaug koj tuaj txhawb/koom peb lub ntees thiab nawb."  Needs not be elaborate like the one returned for their donations.



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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2011, 12:25:05 PM »
seb yog ua tsaug dabtsi ma?  nyiaj txiag??  dagzog??  ua qhua?  su?  mo?  tshavntuj?  cov no nwg muaj nws thiab...

tsi tag li, seb koj yog hmoob white or hmong green thiab...vim tias cov hmong white changed many of the wordings in the past few years, making it very "smooth" at times and even "comical" at times...

to understand ua tsaug, you have to understand where it came from....when the hmong king got killed by the chinese (some say it was chiyu...some say it wasn't him), the mong were not allowed to go get his body for a proper funeral burial.  so...the chinese waited until his body is rotted out...except the bone...and the shield (this is the lub kauj vab came about), and the clothing.   his body also still has a sword stuck in his body (this is how the chinese killed him).

so...the mong plead and plead...and the chinese finally allowed mong to bury the body....but there is not body..only bones..and rot out clothing...wha t's left are the bones, torned cothing, the sword, and the shield...so the mong picked up everything and put them on the inner side of the shield and carried it home for burial.  because there is no body, the regular funeral wasn't not performed...in stead, they decided to "tso plig"...

so....because there was no body, they wer enot sure how to 'dress" up the bones...so they decided to make handles onto the shield and put the clothing over it.  they had to remove the sword too.....and remove the shield from the bones/clothing....

so ua tsaug is nothing more than repeating what they have done..."nkauj plig rov los daws nkauj vab (the shield) nkauj lev (shield) ntawm ntaj (sword) ntawm duav, ntawm hmab ntawm suav, koj tsi cia li, koj ho xav kwv xav tij, xav neej xav tsav....and then the same words as in regular funeral...."

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yaweh

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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2011, 07:16:55 PM »
Sorry... Ua tsaug for money donation from friends and families. thanks.



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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2011, 07:18:27 PM »
Green or white doesn't matter. thx.



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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 10:16:40 AM »
ua tsawg tsawg li no xwb mas...hais ntau los yog txia lawm xwb.

ua koj tsaug os (name of person), vim yog nkauj plig rov los daws kauj vab kauj lev ntawm ntaj  ntawm duav, ntawm hmab ntawm suav, koj tsi cia li, koj ho xav neej xav tsav, xav ntsuab xav ze, toom txheej toom li nyiaj txiag, dej caw tuaj pab tsev yeej ncuab nta dab nta qhua, yog tsev xyom cuab ua neej xws luag ces yuav nco koj tus txiaj tus ntsim, yog tsev yeej ncuab ua neej tsi xws luag ces yuav khaws siv khaws yoom xwb.




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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 12:53:52 PM »
ua tsawg tsawg li no xwb mas...hais ntau los yog txia lawm xwb.

ua koj tsaug os (name of person), vim yog nkauj plig rov los daws kauj vab kauj lev ntawm ntaj  ntawm duav, ntawm hmab ntawm suav, koj tsi cia li, koj ho xav neej xav tsav, xav ntsuab xav ze, toom txheej toom li nyiaj txiag, dej caw tuaj pab tsev yeej ncuab nta dab nta qhua, yog tsev xyom cuab ua neej xws luag ces yuav nco koj tus txiaj tus ntsim, yog tsev yeej ncuab ua neej tsi xws luag ces yuav khaws siv khaws yoom xwb.



That part was taken from the funeral piece.

Wow, looking at the language, I can tell there is a set for the spirit-release ceremony, too. Thanks, yaweh! O0



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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 07:16:46 PM »
Thank you much, yaweh!!!.... This really helps... I knew the only difference was at the initial beginning... the rest is the same as at the funeral services....

Much appreciate it..  :police:



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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2011, 10:54:27 PM »
Yaweh,

Where do you find your source about chiyu's death?




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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2011, 04:28:27 PM »
NSX...

sorrry....in plig, tsi yog xyom cuab nawb...yog "yeej ncuab"....

a new beginning

1.  hmong kwvtxhiaj tsa ncej ntxheb

2.  hmong tshoob (cov tsim tshoob)

3.  hmong dabneeg...

in a nutshelll....m y daddy told me....these things are not in books (not that i'm aware of anyway).

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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2011, 02:03:27 PM »
Thanks for the help.... got it done.. was a successs....



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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2012, 09:04:41 PM »
Yaweh,

My father's Tsoplig is coming up, I'll appreciate if you can jot down the whole verse of "Ua tsaug" during this time.




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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 04:13:08 PM »
new beginning,

i'm assuming nej tsi yog ua plig pam....yog tias ua plig pam mas muaj 2 3 yam ua...zoo nkaus li pam tuag li thiab.

but, it seems nej tos nej txiv los nyob ib hnub xwb...uatsaug plig tos los nyob ib hnub xwb ces feem ntau yog ua tsaug nyiaj xwb.  nws muaj ua tsaug su thiab...temsis qhov no tsi yog xyomcuab ua, qhov no yog kavxim ua lawm.

yog li no..ua tsaug nyiaj ces hais tibyam li ua tsaug tuag li thiab...koj pauv hauvpaus xwb.

ua koj tsaug ov, Mr. X, yeeb vim yog nkauj quas plig (in this case, it is your dad, so you use txiv nraug teej plig) rov los daws kauj vab kauj lev, ntawm ntaj ntawm duav, ntawm hmab ntawm suav, koj ho tsi cia li, koj hos toom txheej toom li nyiaj txiag, zaj zog tuaj pab peb tsev yeej ncuab (muaj ib co mas hu ua xyom cuab or xyom tos) nta dab nta plig...yog tsev yeej ncuab txawj ua neej ces yuav nco koj txiaj ntsim, yog tsi txawj ua neej ces yuav khaws siv xwb nawb.."

hais li no, KUV TWB MUAB NUG KAWG LAWM, in laos....EVERYO NE (green and white) HAIS LI NO LI xwb..temsis tuaj txog meskas ces, ib txhia ho pauv pauv li ub li no lawm...muab hais tau ZOO TIAG TIAG LI LAWM...temsis, cov zoo zoo ntawv kuv tsi xav muab sau rau hauv no, vim txaj txaj muag li...hais li kuv sau up there xwb ces...siv tau lawm.

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Re: How to Ua tsaug thaum tso plig ????
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2012, 07:06:11 PM »
Yaweh,

twb yog xav kawm cov "zoo zoo" ntag thiaj li nug txog koj los mas.... es koj tseem tsis kam qhia cov ho thiab es yuav yog thaum twg peb mam li txawj ma...ib leej txawj zoo tsis cuag peb sawv daws txawj na.... yog kuv kawm tau hauv internet xwb los yog muaj neeg nug txog kuv yeej hais tias kuv kawm hau internet los no na....

thov tsis txhob ua siab me me li cov laus lawm...

tsawm qhia rau hauv no los yog tus tsis nyiam yeej tsis kawm thiab...

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