Why Hmong men and ghosts used to interact

[DonJuan]

The process of a shaman doing “seeing” is identical in every “seeing”.  What differ are the tools used to attain to the state of “seeing”.  Many cultures employ dissimilar tools due to their natural environment, cultures give various names to “shaman”, “sorcerer”, “druid” etc.  Unfortunately, many people see the diverse tools as what differentiates shaman altogether.
 
            A man can do “seeing” because the switch is turned on.  As stated before, the switch cannot be turned on at will due to man’s lack of energy.  However, because of the inorganic being energy’s presence (lets call it IB), man is able to do “seeing”.  The IB does not turn the switch on in man’s luminosity; it only gives a power boost making it much more fluid.  The shaman commands it to turn on by simply intending to do a reading. But he does not turn it on either; the spirit (dhu) does.
 
            Because of the power boost in the shaman, his commands become the spirit’s commands.  He at that point has a direct connection to the spirit.
 
            When a shaman sits down to do a session.  To do an energy fixing or a reading, he needs to stop the world first (to turn on the switch).  To do so, he intends it.  He uses tools or a specific fixation to accomplish it: tarot cards, leaves, flowers, cloth etc.  When “stop the world” occurs, worldly objects no longer have any meaning: what we label as fish, pictures, trees no longer have names, they just are. As a shaman, you see the objects but with no names to the objects.

            Once the switch is on by the spirit.  The shaman intends what he wants to see or what the glow in the luminosity within the person tells him.  To do so, he gazes or looks but not look.  It is like looking at those pictures that convert into 3D pictures.
 
             If he uses a piece of leaf, he actually does not see the leaf as it has no meaning.  The leaf helps him stop the world by focusing on specific details.  By gazing, he sees pictures or a "grainy movie" unfolding.
 
            Each shaman interprets things slightly differently, depending on their cultures, background, how their brain operates.  However, the difference is big enough for misinterpretat ions by regular men; someone from Asia could say it is a ‘dragon” deity while someone from Europe could label it as an angel.  Someone else could say it is just a strong energy. Etc
 
             The true interpretation is energy.  But all the other meanings are also true.  The reason is when men come to face with what they do not understand; their brain replaces what they see with something they can comprehend.
 
            When they do fixing, shamans chant or drums are in use to remind the person where his physical world is.  The chant/drums also allow him to focus so his fixation stays in what he needs to do in the second realm.  This is extremely vital because his fixation can slip if not careful, and his consciousness could stay in the second realm instead of coming back.

[DonJuan]

I'll say this again in case you couldn't read it the first time:

Spirits are beings of pure energy.

Example: Human beings are beings of flesh and energy.

Spirits are pure energy.

Imagine an intelligent lifeform of pure energy.

Your sun/moon example is an epic fail.

Agreed with above.  Human being are sentient beings or energy using the physical body while inorganic beings are sentient beings but in the energy form only.

[Moospej]

I'll say this again in case you couldn't read it the first time:

Spirits are beings of pure energy.

Example: Human beings are beings of flesh and energy.

Spirits are pure energy.

Imagine an intelligent lifeform of pure energy.

Your sun/moon example is an epic fail.

I disagreed that spirits are pure energy because spirits can transform into physical form such as embodying a particular place or into an objects.

Why don't you try translating "Spirits and Pure Energy" into Hmong maybe i'll understand you better. 

Ntsuj plig?
Ntshuj duab ntshuj hlaub?
Ntsuj?
Plig?

Dab toj ntxas?
Dab tuag tshaib tuag nqhis?
Dab tsog tsuag?
Poj dab pog?

Tim txhwv xeeb teb xeeb chaw?

Cov sawm no puav leej yog spirits tag nrho tabsis pure energy doesn't apply to all spirits.

[DonJuan]

I would love to converse in Hmong, but I can't write Hmong. I don't know much about hmong stuff and legends either. All I can tell you is what I see as a shaman.

I understand the confusion. Words have changed meaning since the dawn of time, and more complex when it must be translated in a different language. "dab" actually means inorganic beings, it means they are not from the first realm which is physical. Having said that, some do and can take physical forms as you described, but only either they are stuck for some reasons in that form or they make an illusion to appear in that form. But because they are from the second realm, they are inorganic.

As much as we are physical, when sleeping, at times we visit other worlds in the second realm.

Now when it comes to objects, more likely you are describing "an attention". What it means is if you value something so much, or you have died in anger and all you held onto was say a teddy bear. You put all the anger, desperations, fear in it because that was all you had to hang onto. Someone comes along and pick up the teddy bear will later feel all those feelings inside you before you died. And even the spot you died will feel that way. That's because part of your attention now is stuck there.

We are talking about something though may seem interesting in reality is trivial. All is energy, mountains, lakes, moon, stars, us, the human body.  All those are energy, humans have the perception. That means we all see the same things because of the switch in the luminosity which is at the same position for all men.

Having said that, the switch though is at the same spot for all men, it is slightly off in all men. Some switches are way off where all men are. We tend to call them crazy, schizophrenics, etc. which in a sense is correct. Although, it's good for the switch to be off from the position of men, if the person cannot control it, he will be viewed as crazy. And usually, those crazies can sense dab much better. However, if a person can control it, then he can turn the switch on and off at will, he is a shaman.

The most important thing to remember is the switch. It is your perception, your connection to the spirit also. When a person sleeps, the switch becomes fluid. This is why it is easier for us to do traveling in there, also a good time to see dab, right before falling asleep or waking up. The switch is very fluid at that time.

[unauthorized]

If you wan to see ghost or dab, you just have to think it in your mind and you will see it. Whether if its something such as a shadow fly9ing by as you glance somewhere or some shadow as you are walking in the woods. Take it from me, my mind played trickson me back in the old days where my boys left me hanging and I had to walk back home in the woods. I would see shadows as i looked back. But why did I see it, I was thinking of it.

Your mind is a very powerful tool and can manipulate how you see or do things. Its all in your minds. I fyou imagine you want or is scared of ghost or what ever that is what your mind will create. I just drink till there is no tomorrow and see nothing. And when I go to sleep I dream of a black room.

[TruthAboveKnowledge]

This subject is amusing yet some of it is true.  Some are born with the gift to see as Shaman, only because they were granted the gift.  All others who practice this art is known as Sorcery.  Usually, a very deep understanding of this can be traced back to ancient Babylon where magic and Sorcery takes place when the fallen angels taught men how to open portals.  The different dimensional planes are not meant to interact but because of this knowledge from the fallen angels, it could be done.  The ones who were taught this opening of portals also had to be very well taught, yet some failed because they could not and did not have the strength in spirit to overcome what was behind the portals.  That is why this is a hush hush subject and as you can see, not too many people like this subject or are writing about it (checkered flag floors with black and white tiles is one example where this occurs).One reason why the Jews keep the secret since ancient Babylon time is not because they want it for themselves but they knew that man's heart is weak, and that in order to be a student of it, you had to be highly trained.  Man's heart was to search for the Truth, and that meant it had to know both the good and the bad; life and death, light and dark, the duality nature of cosmic spiritual planes.  That is why all things taught by Jesus aka Yahshua was mainly focusing on the spiritual aspect.  When these portals are open, it was also open to demons within oneself, demons of wickedness and evil, the every duality essence of life and preservation of LOVE that we are all taught to live our lives by.  In the Bible, these demons do exist and it could easily be seen with the story of King Saul, who was tortured day and night by those demons.  He hated David because King Saul wanted power for himself, his position as King allowed for him to see and read all scrolls whether political, religious or spiritual.  Some scrolls include pronouncing "words" or phrases to conjure demons so that you can use them for personal gain, but in return these demons could live among you.  That is why in the Hmong culture and tradition, there is always a "Dab" or Dlaab for everything.  These demons can not just come and dwell on their own, it first must be conjured up, provoke and then allowed.  It is even fed and worshipped since it was able to perform what the master wanted, but little do they know, the demons are much more then mere servants, its the soul that is at stake here.  For mortal men are eager and ambitious for worldly matters.  Humans who are born from the wound of women are "free souls".  Meaning they chose their own path, hence righteousness and freedom.  When they die, they won't be resurrected in the spirit unless they are reborn again, meaning they have taken the spiritual awakening in themselves.  They have believed that without the Creator, they can not arise by themselves.  The Quran especially talks about this in details.  When everyone has died, only One will remain standing, and that is "GOD" itself.  Satan and its minions knows this very well, as they are in the spiritual plane, they can no longer die a physical death but that they are cast in the lake of Fire for eternity.  Satan and the demons take on soulless human flesh teaches that all humans will be resurrected again but this is simply not true.  You cease to exist if you are not spiritually awaken.  Humans who are awaken spiritually will be in spirit form and in that plane.  They can no longer die like the fallen angels, and they chose their path...once they have seen the whole truth they would have to chose the way of Satan, who think itself is god or to be with GOD, who is their Redeemer and Savior.  The greatest test is LOVE.  So you see, it is a spiritual warfare and principalities are tested.  He who chooses wickedness (the twisting of TRUTH) and death shall receive it and he who chooses Life shall receive it accordingly.  Choosing Life means that it will take you an eternity to learn about "GOD" and that is another chapter to be learned, not for our physical flesh to dwell because our "eyes" have been pulled over by the vail, even as we have eyes, we can't see because it was written, "let the blind lead the blind" and "let the dead bury the dead".