Did God created everything out of nothing?

[TheAfterLife]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ii7sh6W0c&feature=feedrec_grec_index

If the first argument about cosmology is true, then the virgin Mary is true as well. God created Jesus out from nothing.

[Great Sage]

The human God is worthless, along with all ideas associated... This God is limited by humanity.

The REAL God (the Universe and all it encompasses) exists beyond human comprehension. You may experience it without really knowing.... It simply is.

The real Tao cannot be defined - Tao Te Ching.

One does not know the true "essence" of a rock, but rather the label we've given it. Even something as simple as a rock is self-defining.

Therefore, your ideas concerning God is as irrelevant as mine or the next persons'.

[TheAfterLife]

The human God is worthless, along with all ideas associated... This God is limited by humanity.

The REAL God (the Universe and all it encompasses) exists beyond human comprehension. You may experience it without really knowing.... It simply is.

The real Tao cannot be defined - Tao Te Ching.

One does not know the true "essence" of a rock, but rather the label we've given it. Even something as simple as a rock is self-defining.

Therefore, your ideas concerning God is as irrelevant as mine or the next persons'.

What do you mean by the human God? Do  you mean Gods and Goddesses? O_o

 

[Great Sage]

What do you mean by the human God? Do  you mean Gods and Goddesses? O_o

 

The God you pulled out of your own arse... It's so stained it smells funny.

Follow this logic if you can:

1. You are just a human being and you cannot fathom anything outside of this experience.
2. Everything you know about God is from a human perspective.
3. Yet, the real God exists outside the plane of human intellect.

4. Therefore, all your conclusions regarding God is a misconception that you created out of your own mind.

Kapeesh.

[hmongperson]

The God you pulled out of your own arse... It's so stained it smells funny.

Follow this logic if you can:

1. You are just a human being and you cannot fathom anything outside of this experience.
2. Everything you know about God is from a human perspective.
3. Yet, the real God exists outside the plane of human intellect.

4. Therefore, all your conclusions regarding God is a misconception that you created out of your own mind.

Kapeesh.

Try hammering it into his brain that that is the only place that God exist, I tried and its looks tougher than I thought.

[TheAfterLife]

The human God is worthless, along with all ideas associated... This God is limited by humanity.

The REAL God (the Universe and all it encompasses) exists beyond human comprehension. You may experience it without really knowing.... It simply is.

The real Tao cannot be defined - Tao Te Ching.

One does not know the true "essence" of a rock, but rather the label we've given it. Even something as simple as a rock is self-defining.

Therefore, your ideas concerning God is as irrelevant as mine or the next persons'.

Dude, you don't need to brag that you have experienced it. We all have and I know how He is. It's easy to know Him and all you need to know God is the moral code. DUH! That's His personality as it is said in the NT. If you think that my Christian God does not exist, then disprove the 3 arguments that Craig has talked about the cosmology argument.

Step 1: We had a cause
Step 2: There's a mind behind this (A God/Christian God)
Step 3: We came from nothing out of something (0+1=1)

Please, refute the 3 steps to which I dare you.

[population1]

yep he did, didn't he created homo's out of dirt?

[hmongperson]

Dude, you don't need to brag that you have experienced it. We all have and I know how He is. It's easy to know Him and all you need to know God is the moral code. DUH! That's His personality as it is said in the NT. If you think that my Christian God does not exist, then disprove the 3 arguments that Craig has talked about the cosmology argument.

Step 1: We had a cause
Step 2: There's a mind behind this (A God/Christian God)
Step 3: We came from nothing out of something (0+1=1)

Please, refute the 3 steps to which I dare you.

The answer is but a a simple one.

St. Augustine, himself, that claims nobody knows what is the first cause. And I mean nobody. But, being humans we are logical, rational people and we like to make sense of things. So what do we assign as the first cause, God. Does it necessitate that he was the actually the first cause? No, of course not. God is assigned as the first cause to complete the picture. Just like that optical illusion where only the first two letters are in the right place. Humans need to make sense of things, regardless if its true or not.

If one goes looking for something, one will always find something. Like for example the existence of dragons. People went looking for evidence of their existence high and low. When they found dinosaur bones, the default assumptions is that they were dragons bone. Was this a correct assumption? Of course not.

The existence of more than 1 religion, therefore more than 1 God, ultimately defeats your argument. God himself said that he was a "jealous" God, and should be the only one worshiped. Until you, or any Christian can refute that there is only 1 religion and 1 God, then you have no case.

 

[Gracified23]

The human God is worthless, along with all ideas associated... This God is limited by humanity.

The REAL God (the Universe and all it encompasses) exists beyond human comprehension. You may experience it without really knowing.... It simply is.

The real Tao cannot be defined - Tao Te Ching.

One does not know the true "essence" of a rock, but rather the label we've given it. Even something as simple as a rock is self-defining.

Therefore, your ideas concerning God is as irrelevant as mine or the next persons'.

Hi Great Sage, the bible called that idolatry - anything we make up in our minds that is above the one true God of scripture.  Think of the universe for example. Anything that begin to exist has a cause. Contemporaries science and big bang cosmologists tells us that the universe (space, time, matter, energy...etc) all came into existence at a finite time called singularity. So how we know this cause was God? Because God by definition is immaterial, transcendent beyond space and time. So whatever the cause of space and time..etc, cannot be bound by it's dimension. This fits God, 'eternal' existence perfectly.  We can prove this using logic. We can also apply the same logic to a moral law. God makes Himself known to us through His creation, through reasons and logic we can find God.

[Gracified23]

The answer is but a a simple one.

St. Augustine, himself, that claims nobody knows what is the first cause. And I mean nobody. But, being humans we are logical, rational people and we like to make sense of things. So what do we assign as the first cause, God. Does it necessitate that he was the actually the first cause? No, of course not. God is assigned as the first cause to complete the picture. Just like that optical illusion where only the first two letters are in the right place. Humans need to make sense of things, regardless if its true or not.

I can show you why the 'First Cause' is needed to explain the origin of the universe.  But first let me ask you this. When we think of God, we are thinking of an all powerful creator, transcendent, immaterial, infinite, uncaused cause...etc.  Ok now, think of space and time for example.  What do you think the cause of space and time was? Was the caused in and of itself? Or was the cause outside of time and space?

The existence of more than 1 religion, therefore more than 1 God, ultimately defeats your argument. God himself said that he was a "jealous" God, and should be the only one worshiped. Until you, or any Christian can refute that there is only 1 religion and 1 God, then you have no case.

In our beliefs, the one true God created space and time itself..all the pagan gods were trapped in space and time..they are merely creatures. All other religion that are polytheist when they got deep ultimately ended up believing that all things came from One. well in the stories the pagan gods fought with each other, conquered each other, ... basically like a cosmic soap opera. The one true God of scripture is dependent on nothing. The bible presents a God that transcends all things, space and time, and is dependent on nothing at all, in fact, all things depend on Him. It's the fact that the Judeo Christian God transcendent time and Space itself that makes the difference.

[hmongperson]

I can show you why the 'First Cause' is needed to explain the origin of the universe.  But first let me ask you this. When we think of God, we are thinking of an all powerful creator, transcendent, immaterial, infinite, uncaused cause...etc.  Ok now, think of space and time for example.  What do you think the cause of space and time was? Was the caused in and of itself? Or was the cause outside of time and space?

Before I answer your question, answer my simple one. What came first; the chicken or the egg?

Of course you can't answer it. So if you can't answer it, and you are looking for an answer what do you say "God came first." Is it true? No, but it answers the questions and makes you feel better and everyone can carry on with their lives.

In our beliefs, the one true God created space and time itself..all the pagan gods were trapped in space and time..they are merely creatures. All other religion that are polytheist when they got deep ultimately ended up believing that all things came from One. well in the stories the pagan gods fought with each other, conquered each other, ... basically like a cosmic soap opera. The one true God of scripture is dependent on nothing. The bible presents a God that transcends all things, space and time, and is dependent on nothing at all, in fact, all things depend on Him. It's the fact that the Judeo Christian God transcendent time and Space itself that makes the difference.

So tell me, which of that one true God, is the true God? Buddha? Allah? Yaweh? Zinu? Vishnu? or Bob? Which is the one true God, and how do you know beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Gracified23]

Before I answer your question, answer my simple one. What came first; the chicken or the egg?

Of course you can't answer it. So if you can't answer it, and you are looking for an answer what do you say "God came first." Is it true? No, but it answers the questions and makes you feel better and everyone can carry on with their lives.
So tell me, which of that one true God, is the true God? Buddha? Allah? Yaweh? Zinu? Vishnu? or Bob? Which is the one true God, and how do you know beyond a reasonable doubt.

Obviously the chicken came first. The chicken had to be created with all the genetic information in the genome.

Only the I AM makes claims no one else can make. Multi gods are semi-indepedent thus not eternal. For example, in greek and roman gods, if the god of argriculture depend on the god of rain and so forth...then he is not all powerful. None of them are. they are not eternal.. They do not exist necessarily. they are dependent on another diety then they are not all perfect and therefore can make mistakes. This lead to disastrous. Even all of this you still need to come down to one God who is eternal and all powerful which is the uncaused cause.  The I am what I am fits this defintion. Not allah, not buddha, not vishnu. They did not make this claim. Other gods in other religion are being created and dying. For example, greek gods were from the Titians who were created from the universe, which the universe is already existed. They are simply creatures. Nothing more.

[hmongperson]

Obviously the chicken came first. The chicken had to be created with all the genetic information in the genome.

Only the I AM makes claims no one else can make. Multi gods are semi-indepedent thus not eternal. For example, in greek and roman gods, if the god of argriculture depend on the god of rain and so forth...then he is not all powerful. None of them are. they are not eternal.. They do not exist necessarily. they are dependent on another diety then they are not all perfect and therefore can make mistakes. This lead to disastrous. Even all of this you still need to come down to one God who is eternal and all powerful which is the uncaused cause.  The I am what I am fits this defintion. Not allah, not buddha, not vishnu. They did not make this claim. Other gods in other religion are being created and dying. For example, greek gods were from the Titians who were created from the universe, which the universe is already existed. They are simply creatures. Nothing more.

Then how did the chicken get there? Did it just drop from the heavens? It had to of come from somewhere. And honestly, only idiots will answer this question. Why, there is no answer. Just like your question, only an idiot can provide and answer.

So how is Allah, Vishnu, Buddha, Zinu, or Bob not the true God? What you speak of are Greek and Roman gods. The gods I mention are from monotheistic religions. How are these Gods not the true God? 

[8v10un30sun]

Before I answer your question, answer my simple one. What came first; the chicken or the egg?

The correct answer is the CHICKEN.  Why?  You do not know if the EGG is a chicken egg or a dinosaur egg or some other egg based upon the statement.  Therefore, one should logically discard the egg and accept the chicken.  Easy right?

Obviously the chicken came first. The chicken had to be created with all the genetic information in the genome.

Everything you said is correct, but when you suggested "created" people will jump on you as implying god created or ask who created the chicken and then say was it the egg that created the chicken or vice versa.  Your arguments should move toward abstraction as to not imply anything.  Then and there will your arguments be more compelling

Do any of you notice how Craig argues almost strictly from a logical, scientific and mathematical point of view?  Take for example, when he talks about first causation...We ALL AGREE on it, atheists and seculars alike...  Notice how he furthers his argument and indicates that something cannot come from nothing, which we all agree...Law of conservation of energy  Notice how he also implies equilibrium and that a state of equilibrium cannot be broken...The pond and the ripple with the rock is a perfect example.  I was taught that same metaphor in 8th grade science on equilibrium and cause and effect.

[prima_donna]

How would we know that there is only one god. Before there was the Christian god there were pagan gods. Pagan is the oldest worship of sun, moon, fertility, and nature deities. Christian crusaders and the far cry of plastered witchcraft drove alot of pagan worshippers to practice in secrecy. I dont understand. If pagan is the fulfillment in harmony with nature why are these practice brand with a bad name such as spells and witchcraft. My hypothesize to gain control of people through manipulating the system of their faith.