Socialism vs Capitalism!

[jon_jon]

This Korean girl who lives in North Korea says that she loves her leader and socialistic government. They get education, housing, and protection/security. They don't suffer like the rest of the capitalist countries in the west where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The people who come from poor families can't go to school because they can't pay etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=I9HxGhIo-6k

i totally disagree with her. i think she hasn't experienced the west yet and the opportunities it has to offer. for people who live in socialism, it appears they like that sense of security, but that security is actually closing them off to the outside world.

[Jelicas]

I did a presentation a while back on this subject in Sociology. I don't think security  is closing them off to the outside world because they have many opportunities, and it is beneficial to everyone. They get to work and enjoy life at the same time, while a capitalism society gets to work hard all their life and then if they still have time, enjoy it at the end. At least, that's what I've heard. The downfall of a socialism society would be that it can make one lazy, and not want to pursue a higher education or better themselves, because they can easily live off of someone else's income. BTW...isn't North Korea communist?

[Hung_Low]

There's good and bad in any form of gov't... some have more good than bad. Just take your pick...
Some people function better in one form of gov't as compare to another, just as some people prefer to be told what to do and other prefer to be free to make their choice.

[Evil_K_Man]

I like socialism because the whole theme behind it is commonality and a sharing/division of resources equally (or somewhat) between people.  Unfortunately it won't work because people are greedy, jealous, and hateful.  When they see that they are working harder than their next door neighbor for the same benefits, they get all pissy about it...which I don't blame them as I would myself because I'm greedy, jealous, and hateful. 

I like capitalism because as a system where the objective is the pursuit of personal wealth I can become richer than my neighbor.  The theory is that by working harder, I'll become richer, but thats not always the case as my neighbor could simply inherit his/her money, but hey at least I get an opportunity at trying, although statistically speaking, I won't make it, but whatever.  Plus capitalism incentivizes people to be more creative and innovative.  Also once I get to the top, it probably won't be too hard to keep my neighbor at the bottom.

[8v10un30sun]

Capitalism is the best system out there but we've forgotten why our capitalism beat out socialism.  We took many good aspect of socialism and embedded them into our capitalistic and democratic model such as welfare and medicare and etc...  However, over the years, the socialism systems such as welfare and medicare have become bloated and the people don't give a flip anymore.  Everybody wants to be rich like the banker but not have to work like the banker too.  The greedy bankers who comes from old money or have connection are greedy and don't give a crap.  They'll sell you if they could make a profit and thus is life.  Nobody cares about each other...In any dynamic social system regardless of what system it deploys, if the collective does not care about each other and it is about how much I can get from you but how much I can contribute to all, then the system will break down...

We know this from game theory that if we enter a mercurial game then all parties are very skeptical of each other and are out to kill each other.  In a cooperative game, we work toward a common goal where all of us can benefit.  These days it seems like we are entering a state of mercurial game dynamics and it is awfully scarey.  A mercurial game state is an all out war, dog eat dog, smoke and mirror and etc...  Nothing is true and all is illusion...tra nsparency does not exists because it is but a veil of lies.

I can rant all day long on this but somehow someone has to win the mercurial state so we enter a cooperative state again...Again this is all part of the great cycle of life it seems.

[jackhergh]

This Korean girl who lives in North Korea says that she loves her leader and socialistic government. They get education, housing, and protection/security. They don't suffer like the rest of the capitalist countries in the west where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The people who come from poor families can't go to school because they can't pay etc...

i totally disagree with her. i think she hasn't experienced the west yet and the opportunities it has to offer. for people who live in socialism, it appears they like that sense of security, but that security is actually closing them off to the outside world.

Of course you would disagree with her. You live in a nation employing a mixed economy that takes the best of both capitalist and socialist theories. You enjoy all the advantages of capitalism and few of it's drawbacks.

You see, both capitalism and socialism, in their purest forms, may be incompatible. But what is actually practice, and what's relevant to this discussion, is not mutually exclusive. We have private ownership and promote competition and innovation in our regulated free market. At the same time, we also build a social safety net derive from socialist principles. Social security, medicare, food stamps and many other government funded programs aren't attributed to capitalism ideals.

The sense of security you mention isn't exclusive to the North Koreans either. Of course they would prefer education, food, housing, and security for less freedom and you would understand this if you realize what they endured in the past. People, in general, fear changes. The world may be a different place but you can't expect folks to embrace something so different from what they're used to.

You want a good example, compare the Hmong in the US to the Hmong in China.

Wth is socialism doing for them? We are way better off in Capitalism.

Neither is perfect, we need to take the best of both worlds and merge them. Oh well.

Bad example. You can hardly call China a socialist state since the 70s.

BTW...isn't North Korea communist?

More like a totalitarian dictatorship with a highly centralized economy. That's as far as you can get from true communism.

[non dormis]

when a Christian says that capitalism is the best system out there it's pretty clear cut they're probably the worst Christians. LOL. just saying. 

[8v10un30sun]

when a Christian says that capitalism is the best system out there it's pretty clear cut they're probably the worst Christians. LOL. just saying. 

I just love how these alts keep coming up.  I mean do you guys ever quit making new nick?  Another November 2011 nick?  Gosh you and TGV registered around the same day.  LMAO!  Get a life.  Just to call people names?  I love how you hate capitalism but live in it and relish the benefit from it.  Obviously, you failed to read the other portion which included the best of both capitalism and socialism.

Thank you for making me laugh...I rub you guys so bad you make alts just to attack me.   

[non dormis]

I just love how these alts keep coming up.  I mean do you guys ever quit making new nick?  Another November 2011 nick?  Gosh you and TGV registered around the same day.  LMAO!  Get a life.  Just to call people names?  I love how you hate capitalism but live in it and relish the benefit from it.  Obviously, you failed to read the other portion which included the best of both capitalism and socialism.

Thank you for making me laugh...I rub you guys so bad you make alts just to attack me.   

wtf?
 
i wasnt even talking to you. if i was i would had quoted you dumb arse. stop thinking the internetz circles around you and your small minded ideas. now please stick to the topic and stop thinking that everyone who disagrees with you is your arch nemesis created by the internet god soley for you cause you are that important. lol

(what a tard) lol

[8v10un30sun]

wtf?
 
i wasnt even talking to you. if i was i would had quoted you dumb arse. stop thinking the internetz circles around you and your small minded ideas. now please stick to the topic and stop thinking that everyone who disagrees with you is your arch nemesis created by the internet god soley for you cause you are that important. lol

(what a tard) lol

LOL...spoken like that person too.

[non dormis]

 

and you just like the idiots in here who think they are that important that their online enemies are scooping them out every day. lol.

get a life and a job welfare addict. lol. end of discussion.

[8v10un30sun]

8 post a day average compared to my 6 post a day average.   

I need to get a life...LOL...s ounds like you need to stop doing 8 post a day with your alts.

Sorry if I called you out...I know you are trying to keep it on the DL.   

I do have a job and it pays me handsomely...

and you just like the idiots in here who think they are that important that their online enemies are scooping them out every day. lol.

get a life and a job welfare addict. lol. end of discussion.

[8v10un30sun]

More funny statistics.  It took me over 5 years to accumulate 68 days.  It took you one month to accumulate 5 days.  That's 60 days a year projected...If you project your stats to five years, OUCH, GET A LIFE, that's 300 days in five years...You spend on an average 5x more time on PH than me.  

And I need to get a life?  This is the kind of statistics that don't lie.   because it's so easy to understand not some complex derivative.

[population1]

i totally disagree with her. i think she hasn't experienced the west yet and the opportunities it has to offer. for people who live in socialism, it appears they like that sense of security, but that security is actually closing them off to the outside world.

tbh, I really don't want to see another Asian angel face caught in racism, stereotypes, cliches, propaganda, hoodlums, imperialism, stealth communism, duress, racketeering, money-scape for advanced warfare, over consumption/a major contributor to global warming, and last but not least (the afterlife is going to live this one) the "christian hope & faith" to the hell they know and speak of. but ofcourse, the list doesn't stop there.

that's right because the rate of crimes are still so much higher in america... with capitalism. let me spill the beans on this... other countries suffer for another country's benefit, such as america... sound like a similar saying does it?

[spyderman]

What's the use? At the end of the day you're still a peasant.