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Manditory Children Immunizations
« on: December 21, 2011, 12:43:01 PM »
Some kids are not permitted to continuing public education because of behind immunizations/ or no immunization record. Is it right to kick them out of school or keep them there?




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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 02:39:04 PM »
We have our own personal liberties and rights, and so does everybody else.  Although we feel that we have an individual right not to get immunized, the rights, safety, protection of the whole/crowd overweigh the rights of you as an individual.  Immunizations protect and save lives.  If a child is not immunized, he/she can pass on deadly disease to others.

However, in some school district of some counties and states, immunizations can be waived.



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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 04:11:27 PM »
Immunizations protect and save lives.  If a child is not immunized, he/she can pass on deadly disease to others.

The  US government strictly enforces immunization because we are prone to viruses, but aren't side effects something to take into consideration instead? Some researchers and many parents link immunizations (because they contain mercury, animal parts, etc) to autism or sudden infant death. Do you think that these people are just being delusional and that they only want to find another source to blame other than themselves?



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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 04:31:06 PM »
The  US government strictly enforces immunization because we are prone to viruses, but aren't side effects something to take into consideration instead? Some researchers and many parents link immunizations (because they contain mercury, animal parts, etc) to autism or sudden infant death. Do you think that these people are just being delusional and that they only want to find another source to blame other than themselves?

There has been claims without hard evidence that immunizations cause these severe side effects; mental retardation, autism, even allergies, etc.  Most side effects are mild and nonlife threatening.  In 1 to 2% of the cases, immunizations can cause severe life threatinng side effects, and rarely death.  

However, in medicine, we weigh the benefits of immunization against the risk of it.  In the past, hundreds of thousands of infants, children, people died of small pox, pertusis, measles, rubella, diptheria, etc, etc.....in comparision to only a few thousands of adverse side effects, and only a handful of deaths with immunization.   Do we say don't vaccinate because of the side effects, and hundreds of thousands more people continue to die each year from an endemic (way more if epidemic)?  Or, do we risk the handful of deaths of vaccination?  What do will you pick?  Without vaccinations.. ..millions will die across the globe.  The benefits out weigh the risks.

The reason why there are side effects are because of the human body and how it reacts to the toxiod of the vaccine, and can react severely.  The components of the conjugate is to make sure the vital parts of the vaccine is preserved....o r else it won't work.  Many times the bad stuff along with the vaccine is what is needed to keep the vaccine working, remove that constituent, and the vaccine becomes inert.  However, medicine is finding newer and safer conjugate to make vaccines out of.  Nevertheless, can never bypass the allergic reaction of the virus particle itself.  






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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 04:34:18 PM »
Some kids are not permitted to continuing public education because of behind immunizations/ or no immunization record. Is it right to kick them out of school or keep them there?

Why not?  Most state/city governments were able to kick the occupy wall street folks out due to "safety and health" reasons, so if they could that, why not call it safety and health related and kick any student who are not immunized out of school?  The two issues are different but the way the government goes about it would be the same.

In my own opinion, if those unimmunized students jeopardize the health and saftey of other students/staff/faculty, then yes they should not be allowed into schools.



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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 04:48:14 PM »
Why not?  Most state/city governments were able to kick the occupy wall street folks out due to "safety and health" reasons, so if they could that, why not call it safety and health related and kick any student who are not immunized out of school?  The two issues are different but the way the government goes about it would be the same.

In my own opinion, if those unimmunized students jeopardize the health and saftey of other students/staff/faculty, then yes they should not be allowed into schools.

But people get sick all the time from viruses; even bacteria. A child who gets a flu shot, for example, may still get infected by the flu virus. What if there is no public education system and this turns into a crisis that recommends home school for the mass?

Sentinel, some epidemics/ or crisis occuring from viral sickness can be bioengineered by mad scientists in laboratories. These people may or may not be terrorists living as our neighbors. Should we not protest and stand for our rights if it were so? Or has our government completely brainwashed us, its citizens, to believe and trust that these drugs/ or foreign vaccinations are good for us?



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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 07:22:12 PM »
But people get sick all the time from viruses; even bacteria. A child who gets a flu shot, for example, may still get infected by the flu virus. What if there is no public education system and this turns into a crisis that recommends home school for the mass?

Sentinel, some epidemics/ or crisis occuring from viral sickness can be bioengineered by mad scientists in laboratories. These people may or may not be terrorists living as our neighbors. Should we not protest and stand for our rights if it were so? Or has our government completely brainwashed us, its citizens, to believe and trust that these drugs/ or foreign vaccinations are good for us?
The flu is not as a deadly disease compared to other disease such as small pox.  Vaccination is what put away this disease into the history books.  There are many variants/strians of the flu....hundred s, if not thousands, and the fact that this virus mutate via shifts and drifts.

A bioengineer bacteria can not easily be coughed up by a backyard terrorist operation, and requires millions of dollars of funding; synthesis, modification, etc, which only a government agency has the capacity to develop.  

Common diseases like small pox, measles, diptheria, etc, have histories before modern medicine to which it can't have an artificial background.

You are basing ideologies from conspiracies, which have no factual evidence to pinpoint our government agency as to the culprit.  What brings about this kind of assumptions are misunderstandi ng.  And why would they want to scare you into vaccinations, and for what? If you have a solid background in the medical and biological sciences, then these fields explains why vaccinations were one of the biggest stride of medical advances, which have save millions of lives that has nothing to do with covert government mandate.  And the reason why we prosper without ailment is due largely to these vaccinations.  



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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 07:40:29 PM »
But people get sick all the time from viruses; even bacteria. A child who gets a flu shot, for example, may still get infected by the flu virus. What if there is no public education system and this turns into a crisis that recommends home school for the mass?

Flu is not the same as small pox, measles, mumps, etc....



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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2011, 08:32:45 PM »
I disagree with forcing immunization.  It restricts our rights.



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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2011, 11:00:01 PM »
You know those Hmong who have a scar on their left arm near the shoulder? Required grade school immunizations in Laos was how they got that. I think back then they had to cut up a piece of the flesh for it or something. Or else the vaccines may have melted that spot upon injections.

I grew up on the hills without a modern school, so immunizations never got to us. hehe...No scar.




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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2011, 02:13:01 PM »
The flu is not as a deadly disease compared to other disease such as small pox.  Vaccination is what put away this disease into the history books.  There are many variants/strians of the flu....hundred s, if not thousands, and the fact that this virus mutate via shifts and drifts.

A bioengineer bacteria can not easily be coughed up by a backyard terrorist operation, and requires millions of dollars of funding; synthesis, modification, etc, which only a government agency has the capacity to develop. 

Common diseases like small pox, measles, diptheria, etc, have histories before modern medicine to which it can't have an artificial background.

You are basing ideologies from conspiracies, which have no factual evidence to pinpoint our government agency as to the culprit.  What brings about this kind of assumptions are misunderstandi ng.  And why would they want to scare you into vaccinations, and for what? If you have a solid background in the medical and biological sciences, then these fields explains why vaccinations were one of the biggest stride of medical advances, which have save millions of lives that has nothing to do with covert government mandate.  And the reason why we prosper without ailment is due largely to these vaccinations. 

Our government is no longer "patriotic". The world is overpopulating and extremists live among us. Our government is... probably the largest drug dealer in the universe, lol. We prosper for many reasons; one reason is being more sanitary than we were hundreds of years ago.

I disagree with forcing immunization. It restricts our rights.

I agree with you. Our freedom is not free.



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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2011, 02:15:40 PM »
Our government is no longer "patriotic". The world is overpopulating and extremists live among us. Our government is... probably the largest drug dealer in the universe, lol. We prosper for many reasons; one reason is being more sanitary than we were hundreds of years ago.

I agree with you. Our freedom is not free.

Not until your freedom hinders the freedom of others.  Your refusal to get vaccinated increase the risk of the entire group suffering.  It is for the greater good of society that your kids get vaccinated. 



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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2011, 05:25:13 PM »
Our government is no longer "patriotic". The world is overpopulating and extremists live among us. Our government is... probably the largest drug dealer in the universe, lol. We prosper for many reasons; one reason is being more sanitary than we were hundreds of years ago.

I agree with you. Our freedom is not free.
the problem here is that other people also have rights and not just you.  When your decision/rights violate the rights of others, is when you nolonger have anymore rights.  Bec your rights is the one violating other people's rights.  When you exercise your rights not to get vaccinated in a public domain/school shared with others is when you risk and jeapordize the welfare/rights of others and is where your rights and liberties stops.   However, if you are in your own home, then your rights doesn't affect/impinge on the righs of others and you are allowed to continue exercising your liberties not to vaccinate in your own home.



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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2011, 07:43:28 PM »
Not until your freedom hinders the freedom of others.  Your refusal to get vaccinated increase the risk of the entire group suffering.  It is for the greater good of society that your kids get vaccinated. 


Tetrapod, people who were fine to begin with have died in some form from vaccinations. If your child was the 1 out of the 1,000,000 who died, you would be one of those broken-hearted parents who become dedicated researchers for the rest of their lives boycotting vaccinations.

the problem here is that other people also have rights and not just you.  When your decision/rights violate the rights of others, is when you nolonger have anymore rights.  Bec your rights is the one violating other people's rights.  When you exercise your rights not to get vaccinated in a public domain/school shared with others is when you risk and jeapordize the welfare/rights of others and is where your rights and liberties stops.   However, if you are in your own home, then your rights doesn't affect/impinge on the righs of others and you are allowed to continue exercising your liberties not to vaccinate in your own home.


A person should not feel "obligated" to do things for other people. If one person decides they don't want to get vaccinated, those on the other hand who do wish to vaccinate themselves may still do so at their own expense.

Believe what you will and call this whatever you want, but it's happening before our eyes. You may research at your own leisure. Bill Gates is a proud supporter of vaccinations in reducing/ controlling population growth. There are hundreds of articles online with credible sources. This is just a starter:

http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2659182/posts

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/miscarriage_vax_h.html

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/vaccinationsilentgenocide14nov05.shtml



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Re: Manditory Children Immunizations
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2012, 08:40:30 PM »
Where are the proof and hard evidence that "IMMUNIZATION" saves lives??  Vaccinations don't save lives. Healthy food and clean water saves lives as will as good sanitation and good living conditions.   Look at Africa and any other third world country.  The poor children are vaccinated to oblivion yet they still continually die from the same disease that these "vaccines" claim to "cure".  No offense to anyone but I'd rather take my chances as a vaccine free human than some guinea pigs for the Big Pharma.  Please...restr ain yourself from having your children vaccinated.  If the govt cared so much about our well being they would have legalized marihuana and threw out tobacco.  NkaujNom, welcome to the real world.  :)


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