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Mong vs Hmong
« on: January 09, 2012, 05:37:09 PM »
I still do not understand the use of Mong.  I'm a bit pissed when I see Hmong scholar throwing Mong around when it should be Hmong.  Are they really trying to confused people?  What's so wrong with the Hmong spelling?  Some say it doesn't address the green dialect?  So does this mean when I read about Mong, I assume it is about green Hmong?  Perhaps someone is trying hard to look like Mongolians?




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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2012, 05:54:27 PM »
You get piss about that?  ;D  You must get pissed about Vaaj vs Vaj too then right?

Then what about Knee-Ther and Ni-Ther?

Way more important thing to worry about then H or no H.



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2012, 06:18:07 PM »
You get piss about that?  ;D  You must get pissed about Vaaj vs Vaj too then right?

Then what about Knee-Ther and Ni-Ther?

Way more important thing to worry about then H or no H.

There's nothing wrong with Vaaj and Vaj or dlej vs dej.  It is how we communicate within ourselves. 

But Mong and Hmong confuses outsiders.  Someone researching Hmong may miss Mong articles and books.   So, are you a Mong or a Hmong?  I find any book with Mong in the title annoying.  I refuse to read such book because I do not know what is wrong with the author.  I'm not sure whether he is addressing green Hmong or white Hmong by putting Mong in the title.  When does he choose Hmong or Mong?  Under what condition? 

In English, the spelling that stuck is the one that is kept.  English words are not read the way they are spelled and even the same word in different context has different stress.  To argue that we should have Mong and Hmong is to argue that we should have two different spelling for tomatoes because some people pronounce it differently.  If green Hmong prefer, they can read Hmong as Moob and white Hmong read it as Hmong, but to an American, it is read as Mong.  Maybe even some in the south, they may read it as HaHmong or HeHmong or whatever.  The spelling is what matters.  It is one spelling under under the multiple regional accent, and dialects.   Introducing multiple spelling accomplishes nothing but further the confusion.  We need a consistent spelling to better communicate.




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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 06:10:16 PM »
I wonder how we would spell the name of our culture in Chinese or Thai or Laotian. Why worry about just our culture's and English spellings only?



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 06:31:19 PM »
I wonder how we would spell the name of our culture in Chinese or Thai or Laotian. Why worry about just our culture's and English spellings only?

Thai and Lao spell Hmong as Meo.



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 06:54:21 PM »
Thai and Lao spell Hmong as Meo.

And Chinese? Or Japanese? What about Korean?



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2012, 06:15:55 AM »
don't be pissed.  Hmong Der is now using "Hmoob." 



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 08:28:09 AM »
I still do not understand the use of Mong.  I'm a bit pissed when I see Hmong scholar throwing Mong around when it should be Hmong.  Are they really trying to confused people?  What's so wrong with the Hmong spelling?  Some say it doesn't address the green dialect?  So does this mean when I read about Mong, I assume it is about green Hmong?  Perhaps someone is trying hard to look like Mongolians?
i do agree with you..."Mong" was introduced not too long ago by some intellect wannabees...in hopes of becoming their own species.  Proper pronounciation has always been a "H" in front..whether green or white.  Why make a label to separate such a minority of the minorities.  What history is there behind MONG..none!

I ask the question..what are you?  he says, I is MONG
I answered: you mean like a watch, right? 



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2012, 08:33:25 AM »
So what... I am using Hamong  ???



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2012, 11:45:29 AM »
So what... I am using Hamong  ???

probably a Homo.



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2012, 11:46:18 AM »
don't be pissed.  Hmong Der is now using "Hmoob." 

I'm sure there's no such thing as white English and green English.

Only Hmong people force green and white onto English with Mong vs Hmong.



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2012, 11:49:58 AM »
i do agree with you..."Mong" was introduced not too long ago by some intellect wannabees...in hopes of becoming their own species.  Proper pronounciation has always been a "H" in front..whether green or white.  Why make a label to separate such a minority of the minorities.  What history is there behind MONG..none!

I ask the question..what are you?  he says, I is MONG
I answered: you mean like a watch, right? 

I heard rumors making Mong and Hmong two different ethnics but I haven't heard from the actual people.  I heard Mong and Hmong are to address the different dialect.  But if the rumors are true, it's going too far.



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 12:17:32 PM »
I heard rumors making Mong and Hmong two different ethnics but I haven't heard from the actual people.  I heard Mong and Hmong are to address the different dialect.  But if the rumors are true, it's going too far.
I let them be..cause when they azzes get jumped, I'm just gonna watch...even if they cry.. "pab kuv, os!!!"



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2012, 12:44:00 PM »
Who cares!!!



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Re: Mong vs Hmong
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2012, 01:47:32 PM »
I have no problem with Hmong vs Mong.

What I don't get is who the hell came up with either one? The English letters that best pronounce "Hmoob" are "Moan".

Just read it out loud.

Hmoob.

Moan.

Hmoan!

Sticking to one spelling in order to better communicate. 



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