UPDATE: Shooting @ Wal-Mart

[PebHmoobUnited]

http://www.sheboyganpress.com/article/20120111/SHE0101/201110451/Chief-Walmart-shooting-gang-related?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Lee has no criminal record, and Moua's only conviction is a 2008 disorderly conduct, according to online court records.

"Some of them have gang backgrounds or affiliations that they're identified as gang members, some aren't, but their affiliation with them is what's dragging them into this, obviously," the chief said, declining to identify which of the victims may have gang ties. "I wouldn't call them (all) active gang members, but the fact is when they don't separate themselves from those that are — and think that that isn't going to somehow affect them — that's a very bad decision."


“In all the twenty years that I have known my brother, the slightest thought of joining a gang or to be affiliated with one was out of the question. He had too many dreams to accomplish,” Soua Lee said. “Pheng was a good young man and was not deserving of this violent death. Our family is overwhelmed with grief and sadness with this loss. Our brother had no criminal history and we are absolutely appalled that he was so disrespectfull y labeled as a gang member or of gang affiliation. We love and miss our brother dearly.”

[prima_donna]

So sad... A life taken away. May he rip.

[andro]

http://www.sheboyganpress.com/article/20120111/SHE0101/201110451/Chief-Walmart-shooting-gang-related?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Lee has no criminal record, and Moua's only conviction is a 2008 disorderly conduct, according to online court records.

"Some of them have gang backgrounds or affiliations that they're identified as gang members, some aren't, but their affiliation with them is what's dragging them into this, obviously," the chief said, declining to identify which of the victims may have gang ties. "I wouldn't call them (all) active gang members, but the fact is when they don't separate themselves from those that are — and think that that isn't going to somehow affect them — that's a very bad decision."


“In all the twenty years that I have known my brother, the slightest thought of joining a gang or to be affiliated with one was out of the question. He had too many dreams to accomplish,” Soua Lee said. “Pheng was a good young man and was not deserving of this violent death. Our family is overwhelmed with grief and sadness with this loss. Our brother had no criminal history and we are absolutely appalled that he was so disrespectfull y labeled as a gang member or of gang affiliation. We love and miss our brother dearly.”

Pick and choose your friends carefully.

[Adam_Xiong]

R.I.P

[hmoob10]

it is so bs how the cop lable him as a gangster and how he and his buddies go confront that dumbass killer. if u all think logicallly, if they really did go confront the killer at his car and that moua guy got shot 3 or 4 time. how the hell did he crawl his way so fast back to the store? the distance between the walmart door to the nearest customer parking space is a couple yards away. i think the cop must be hiding something and not telling the truth or is it that they just want to make the killer look good for committing the murder. rip cousin.

[funnieguy]

Being labeled a gang member by association is a load of crap. Looks like they were trying to make a tough situation go away as senseless gang violence instead of owning up that they let that shooter with such a violent history off the hook time and time again. Now it's biting them in the butt that they failed on their end that the guy they should have been keeping locked up did something stupid to an innocent victim. I feel sad that it had to come to this. I didn't know Pheng personally but I knew his older sister with whom I attended highschool with. I never thought I'd be attending a funeral of a younger relative so early in their life.

[HUNG TU LO]

It wasn't a random crime as some of the victims knew the suspect by face. It wasn't senseless act of violence because words were exchanged by both parties (in other words, *something* happened to cause this). It wasn't robbery because none of the victims were asked to give up their valuables.

So what was it? An altercation took place before the shooting. What caused it? We don't know at this point. What do we know? That some of the people involved, suspect and victim, have gang affiliation but may not be gang members.

Gang related shooting. If that's not what it is, then what is it? Random? Senseless? Robbery? I already went through that in my first paragraph.

No one is saying that <insert name> is a gang member. All they are saying is that it's gang related. For example, let's say my cousin sells crack out of his home. I visit him one afternoon and as I enter his home, money and crack is being exchanged. The buyer freaks out, pulls out his gun, shoots me and runs off. I may be a law abiding citizen with no narcotics history but you can bet this will be a drug related shooting case. Obviously, it makes sense.

[BuckFuddies2]

Gangs at Wal-Mart?  Scary thought.   

[suabqeej]

Ok, first of all, what and why in a heck are they doing at Wal-Mart at 12:30 Midnite? If you ain't what the cops classified then you really shouldn't have any reasons to be at some store at midnite. What ever shopping that you need to do, it should've done before that time. The cops rules as a gang related shooting because many of the gang violent crime tends to happen around that time. The victim may not have been register as a gang member/associates but his companions were registered. He is with these gang bangers by association; and perhaps initiation to be a member and not just an associates.


Hmong communities are not huge enough so that everybody won't know each other. Hmong tend bunch up together in neighborhood, apartment complexes, and etc.. where it's easy to network our next door neighbor or down the street of whom they are.
Of course these young men know each other. they beefed and hated each other. they're rivals and wouldn't hesitate to pull such triggers.

All I can say is this: If you ain't involve in any gang activities by associates and/or a member then you really has to business being out at midnite provoking the shooter. instead you should be home with your family and in bed. None of this would've happen if these men would stay home.

[silkstream]

I agree with this assessment. The fact was, he was part of the group that started an alteration with the shooter, who reportedly has gang ties. So in news reporting, it makes sense to call it a "gang related shooting." And the reason the cops are trying to find out whether the deceased was part of a gang is not an excuse to cover up a conspiracy or because they're lazy and don't want to investigate further, or even because they want to make him look bad; it's because the deceased's family could be in jeopardy if there's any kind of retaliation.



 

It wasn't a random crime as some of the victims knew the suspect by face. It wasn't senseless act of violence because words were exchanged by both parties (in other words, *something* happened to cause this). It wasn't robbery because none of the victims were asked to give up their valuables.

So what was it? An altercation took place before the shooting. What caused it? We don't know at this point. What do we know? That some of the people involved, suspect and victim, have gang affiliation but may not be gang members.

Gang related shooting. If that's not what it is, then what is it? Random? Senseless? Robbery? I already went through that in my first paragraph.

No one is saying that <insert name> is a gang member. All they are saying is that it's gang related. For example, let's say my cousin sells crack out of his home. I visit him one afternoon and as I enter his home, money and crack is being exchanged. The buyer freaks out, pulls out his gun, shoots me and runs off. I may be a law abiding citizen with no narcotics history but you can bet this will be a drug related shooting case. Obviously, it makes sense.

[Steven]

Whether he was a gang member or not, doesn't matter.  I doubt that he was cut out to be one anyways, even if he wanted to. But when You step up to one like you is a gangster, then you's gonna get shot like one, Plain and simple.

Can't play gangster part-time or portray to be one and try to step up to someone who is a true gangster. You's asking to get caught slipping one day and get shot.

Clear classic case here....... he tried to be play hard and got shot. If anything it was a justified kill, self-defense. Case close.

Just too bad his buddies got off easy.

[suabqeej]

Whether he was a gang member or not, doesn't matter.  I doubt that he was cut out to be one anyways, even if he wanted to. But when You step up to one like you is a gangster, then you's gonna get shot like one, Plain and simple.

Can't play gangster part-time or portray to be one and try to step up to someone who is a true gangster. You's asking to get caught slipping one day and get shot.

Clear classic case here....... he tried to be play hard and got shot. If anything it was a justified kill, self-defense. Case close.

Just too bad his buddies got off easy.

couldn't of word it better.

[Steven]

could of,.. but then again, it's a harsh reality that some just don't understand.

[suabqeej]

i don't think the victim's family really know this young man. they only saw the good things he did. He hid all his negatives to the streets. at least he died as one of a gang soldiers.

[Steven]

I'm sure they saw, but it's denial. As it is in most cases.