UPDATE: Shooting @ Wal-Mart

[teamrocket]

Not when the situation is that your "comfort zone felt encroached upon". That is such a subjective feeling. A guy stands 50 feet away and yells at the top of his lungs "You're a dead man! I'm gonna find your family and kill all of you!" - well that definitely would encroach my comfort zone so I can shoot him? What about if you cut a guy off on the highway and he looks at you and does a pistol with his hands and pretends to pull the trigger - to me that is uncomfortable so I can shoot him? What if a you and a guy give each other bad looks at a bar and he lifts his shirt to show a pocket knife - that is a symbolic threat of harm and would scare the heck out of me so I can shoot him?

This is why we have the rule of law, so that in the end, no matter how things went down the jury and/or judge decides what happens.

If you ever had to go to court because you shot some guys and you're reasoning was that "I felt that they crossed my


comfort zone and had to protect myself.", you are so screwed.









"........eat shit......... ..... ....

[sacleads]

I remember this on the news a few years ago....two sisters...thei r husbands were fighting.  One drove off and the other went and grab his gun and starts shooting at the guy who drove off in a car and killed him.  The jury found the shooter not guilty.  Got off scott-free.  If a person who can shoot and kill some one who was driving away, this guy's got a chance........ 1/1,000,000.  I don't know what the jury was thinking in that case with the two sisters' husbands.  How can someone shoot someone in the back and be found not guilty.

[freebird]

^I remember that too. I think the prosecutors screwed up on that one because they wanted more than the evidence and testimonies could prove.

That case involved gangs as well, at least that was presented at trial. I believe the shooter and his wife were set up and jumped by the deceased guy's gang buddies before they got in their cars and drove off.  I can't remember if he used self defense as his defense. I think it was something like 'in the heat of the moment' (sorry, I don't remember the legal term).

[thehotone]

Not when the situation is that your "comfort zone felt encroached upon". That is such a subjective feeling. A guy stands 50 feet away and yells at the top of his lungs "You're a dead man! I'm gonna find your family and kill all of you!" - well that definitely would encroach my comfort zone so I can shoot him? What about if you cut a guy off on the highway and he looks at you and does a pistol with his hands and pretends to pull the trigger - to me that is uncomfortable so I can shoot him? What if a you and a guy give each other bad looks at a bar and he lifts his shirt to show a pocket knife - that is a symbolic threat of harm and would scare the heck out of me so I can shoot him?

This is why we have the rule of law, so that in the end, no matter how things went down the jury and/or judge decides what happens.

If you ever had to go to court because you shot some guys and you're reasoning was that "I felt that they crossed my comfort zone and had to protect myself.", you are so screwed.

If you and 3 of your friends approach me and I can swing at you without having to cross the road or the damn parking lot then that is my "comfort zone". 

[HUNG TU LO]

If you and 3 of your friends approach me and I can swing at you without having to cross the road or the damn parking lot then that is my "comfort zone". 

You have your own established comfort zone as well as everyone else. How does that change the fact that you would shoot someone just because they are in your face when your life in not in danger?

[suabqeej]

since mom and dad can't enforce their children in the right direction, let the prison do it. these hmong boys are like little puppies in the prison. their tail would not raise above their azzzz. it'll be kept in between their legs for the rest of their miserable rotten life behind bars.

[thehotone]

You have your own established comfort zone as well as everyone else. How does that change the fact that you would shoot someone just because they are in your face when your life in not in danger?

4 against 1 and anytime you have 4 rival gangsters in your face, your life is in danger.

[suabqeej]

these days these rival gangs do not play fair. 4 against 1 is better then 1 vs. 1. which gang(s) do 1 on 1 violence?

[thehotone]

these days these rival gangs do not play fair. 4 against 1 is better then 1 vs. 1. which gang(s) do 1 on 1 violence?

none!  when you decide to call your friends to back you up with the intentions of hurting someone, you should take responsibility when something happens.

[suabqeej]

just look deadly pedators; lions, hyenas, and wild dogs. they all gang up on one victim. we learned it from these animals. all meat eaters behave the same way.

[HUNG TU LO]

4 against 1 and anytime you have 4 rival gangsters in your face, your life is in danger.

How is your life in danger? Nothing has happened. The only thing witnesses will be saying is "I saw these four guys walk up to that guy over there. I thought they were friends or something and then he just started shooting."

Yup! Self-defense! Not.

Review my posts to your comments. I have validly questioned your motives and character. I have made you appear to be someone who shoots first, ask questions later. Imagine you were up against a professional lawyer who does this for a living and has won many cases like this. Give him/her fives minutes, you'll be the most hated man in town.

Nothing further.

[Chewy]

I remember this on the news a few years ago....two sisters...thei r husbands were fighting.  One drove off and the other went and grab his gun and starts shooting at the guy who drove off in a car and killed him.  The jury found the shooter not guilty.  Got off scott-free.  If a person who can shoot and kill some one who was driving away, this guy's got a chance........ 1/1,000,000.  I don't know what the jury was thinking in that case with the two sisters' husbands.  How can someone shoot someone in the back and be found not guilty.

I remember this on the news a few years ago....two sisters...thei r husbands were fighting.  One drove off and the other went and grab his gun and starts shooting at the guy who drove off in a car and killed him.  The jury found the shooter not guilty.  Got off scott-free.  If a person who can shoot and kill some one who was driving away, this guy's got a chance........ 1/1,000,000.  I don't know what the jury was thinking in that case with the two sisters' husbands.  How can someone shoot someone in the back and be found not guilty.

Went to school with the guy.  His name was Tou F.  I believe he got off with temporary insanity because it was in the heat of anger.  Haven't seen/talked to that guy in years but he was always a quite on reserved individual.  He kept to himself and really didn't bother anyone.  He wasn't in a gang however all Hmong people know someone that's in a gang.

The guy he shot, had shown up with a bunch of his "boyz" to "discuss" something with Tou.  During the fight; Tou's wife tried to stop the assault and was in turn herself assaulted.  At this point Tou snapped and broke free, ran to grab his dad's gun.  The "boyz" fled and the bad-ass got in his car and sped off.  Tou fired rounds at the car which went through the car to find its mark.

This is completely different than this wal-mart shooting where the shooter is a repeated offender.

[teamrocket]

How is your life in danger? Nothing has happened. The only thing witnesses will be saying is "I saw these four guys walk up to that guy over there. I thought they were friends or something and then he just started shooting."

Yup! Self-defense! Not.

Review my posts to your comments. I have validly questioned your motives and character. I have made you appear to be someone who shoots first, ask questions later. Imagine you were up against a professional lawyer who does this for a living and has won many cases like this. Give him/her fives minutes, you'll be the most hated man in town.

Nothing further.

Did u read the fawken paper...he call for back up...... ..... ..... ....

[teamrocket]

Went to school with the guy.  His name was Tou F.  I believe he got off with temporary insanity because it was in the heat of anger.  Haven't seen/talked to that guy in years but he was always a quite on reserved individual.  He kept to himself and really didn't bother anyone.  He wasn't in a gang however all Hmong people know someone that's in a gang.

The guy he shot, had shown up with a bunch of his "boyz" to "discuss" something with Tou.  During the fight; Tou's wife tried to stop the assault and was in turn herself assaulted.  At this point Tou snapped and broke free, ran to grab his dad's gun.  The "boyz" fled and the bad-ass got in his car and sped off.  Tou fired rounds at the car which went through the car to find its mark.

This is completely different than this wal-mart shooting where the shooter is a repeated offender.

The guy tat call for back up have history too...... .... ...... .....

[Steven]

It's easy to not know the whole story and just make assumptions. The case can easily go either way. If Yang gets a good enough lawyer, he has a self-defense case. If not, the DA will rip him apart and he will be labeled a murder.

The shooting happened, there's no denying that. And it was Yang who shot Lee, no disputing that as well. But the question is why did Yang shot Lee.... That will be the case.

You have to ask yourself, why was Yang carrying. To look cool,... maybe, possibly. Or maybe he was carrying because just days ago, his house was shot at. House still boarded up and threats was made on him and his family's life.

Witness said that all they saw were 4 guys walking up to another. Well, it wasn't 4 stranger nor friends walking up to another.


..... case here. House just got shot at, life was threatened. Enemy called 3 other guys and is now walking towards you. What is your state of mind then. What is Yang's State of Mind. He has his wife and kid to think about as well. What is going through his mind. Was it pride,... or was it do or die.

If it was pride, why didn't he grab his gun and step up to the 4 guys. Indeed it was 4 guys, but i'm sure if it was pride, he'd have enough bullets for 4. But if it was do or die,... well, we've all read the end result.