Who is to blame? Yang or Lee's friends

[iHmong]

http://www.htrnews.com/article/20120113/MAN0101/201130568/Accused-gunman-charged-fatal-Walmart-shooting-Sheboygan


According to this article.. Lee's friends were the ones who altercated this incident.  Real friends don't put friends in the zone of fire

[iHmong]

Moua going to Yang's car "Hey man, Leave me alone ok Yang" ... LOL are you serious!  you leave him alone.. C'mon Man the cops aren't that stupid!  seems to me self defense was the case here (3 to 1).. Looks like yang will only be serving 5-10 years (via probation) after reading the story.. should've been Moua in Lee's shoes.. just sad (Lee's life and kids involved)

..the story about Lee going to buy some food because he and his friends were hungry that night.. they could've just ask Moua to buy the food since he was already at the store.  just saying

[Boost]

If you confront someone while they are with their family you're going to get laid out.  Too bad so sad.  They could of just left but no they had to pull around after calling for reinforcements . 

[IH8MyEx]

Both parties! Lee's friend for confronting Yang knowing that he's not packing any heat. Yang for shooting up Lee and his friends while his wife and a 16 year old was with him (eye witness).

According to the other article, Yang's wife said that she didn't see a gun while the 16 year old said he heard gun shot but didn't know who was shooting but Yang made a stop at the boonie to take a leak. LOL. Try telling that to a judge! For sure this case is going to trial, I wonder if Yang's wife will stick to her story when she's swear underoath. Hmmm... interesting. Probably Yang and his wife must of met each other as gang members. Knowing that she's the ride and die chick!

[keng]

This is their problem. Let them deal with it themselves.

[Steven]

Everyone's to blame and should share a little in responsibility here. Everyone had the chance to make better decisions that night, but decided to make the worst ones. God knows why everyone was out shopping that late with their wives. but the time wouldn't of matter much if the same decisions was made even in broad day light.

Yang being with his wife, should of just walked and drove away. He should of put his pride away this once and let it go. Moua should of never called his brother and boys. But even if he did, should of still walked away when his brother and boys showed  up. That would of gave him the opportunity to walk away if he was scared of Yang. And Lee, should of would of could of many things. If he's not in a gang, i'm sure he's fully aware that his friends were. How do you become friends with someone and claim you don't know if they're in a gang or not. If he had any intention of just breaking the fight up, then he should of on the way to Walmart already. And should of held Moua back when he arrived there. When they decided to walk up to Yang at his car, something was destined to happened. There was no good intention when they decided to cross that boundry.  Yang's car, Yang's territory.... If he didn't felt threaten, pride alone would of made him pull out the gun.

...... It comes down to the fact that Sheboygan is a small town, with a lot of Hmong people. Kids grow up in sheboygan, having never even been outside of Sheboygan. They grow up thinking and acting like gangster. They go around talking trash and getting into little fights here and there and they think that makes them a gangster.

Nothing of this magnitude has ever happened here.  So parents never see their children to be a problem. But when you put a gun in the hands of anyone, sooner or later, something like this will eventually happen. Especially someone who has been schooled by one of the major Hmong gangs.

I'm not sure which gangs either of these two groups claim. But most likely one is local while the other is probably one of the bigger Hmong gangs. Perhaps now, Hmong people in Sheboygan can learn something from this..... that you can't keep playing gangster, if you're not.

I highly doubt there will be any retaliation. Small town gangster talk big, throws in a lot of anger, but inside they're just grateful that it's not them. There's little support to run it back. This is the difference between small town and nationwide.

[iHmong]

Everyone's to blame and should share a little in responsibility here. Everyone had the chance to make better decisions that night, but decided to make the worst ones. God knows why everyone was out shopping that late with their wives. but the time wouldn't of matter much if the same decisions was made even in broad day light.

Yang being with his wife, should of just walked and drove away. He should of put his pride away this once and let it go. Moua should of never called his brother and boys. But even if he did, should of still walked away when his brother and boys showed  up. That would of gave him the opportunity to walk away if he was scared of Yang. And Lee, should of would of could of many things. If he's not in a gang, i'm sure he's fully aware that his friends were. How do you become friends with someone and claim you don't know if they're in a gang or not. If he had any intention of just breaking the fight up, then he should of on the way to Walmart already. And should of held Moua back when he arrived there. When they decided to walk up to Yang at his car, something was destined to happened. There was no good intention when they decided to cross that boundry.  Yang's car, Yang's territory.... If he didn't felt threaten, pride alone would of made him pull out the gun.

...... It comes down to the fact that Sheboygan is a small town, with a lot of Hmong people. Kids grow up in sheboygan, having never even been outside of Sheboygan. They grow up thinking and acting like gangster. They go around talking trash and getting into little fights here and there and they think that makes them a gangster.

Nothing of this magnitude has ever happened here.  So parents never see their children to be a problem. But when you put a gun in the hands of anyone, sooner or later, something like this will eventually happen. Especially someone who has been schooled by one of the major Hmong gangs.

I'm not sure which gangs either of these two groups claim. But most likely one is local while the other is probably one of the bigger Hmong gangs. Perhaps now, Hmong people in Sheboygan can learn something from this..... that you can't keep playing gangster, if you're not.

I highly doubt there will be any retaliation. Small town gangster talk big, throws in a lot of anger, but inside they're just grateful that it's not them. There's little support to run it back. This is the difference between small town and nationwide.

If you read .. Yang was the one in his car (probably about to leave) until thuggish ruggish Moua thought he was now a bad ass with his two acquaintances walked up to Yang.. its probably a good thing he had his shiny black piece with him that night otherwise the headlines might have read "Asian gang member beaten to death at Walmart"

The real truth to the story is.. Moua thought he caught Yang slippen.. little did he know Yang had his little black friend with him that night.. all it took was 5 punches and .. you know the rest.. Man I wonder if Moua regrets what he did? Messed up face, loss of a friend, and face in the Lee family. 

If anyone is to blame it is Chenglung Moua!

[Steven]

If anyone is to blame it is Chenglung Moua!

I strongly agree with you. Even more so, if he was also charged with some degree of homicide. His action did cause the death of another. Even if he wasn't the one who pulled the trigger. His reckless thoughtless action cause the death of another while he got off easy. I bet he'll think twice about trying this again. If not, well... maybe it'll be his turn next time.

And Yang, it will be a tough case, especially in a small town that's looking to make an example out of this.  But it was in self-defense. So hopefully his attorney is good enough to help him.

[Ishida]

....I don't know why people call for back up...seriously?!...if you don't like that person and you see them alone...it's one on one from there on out....no need to drag other people in it

Moua shoulda just handled the biznazz solo

[freebird]

The problem with people is that they are always blaming someone else as to why they do this and that. Well, grow the eff up. You called your friends. You drove there on your own will. You pulled the trigger. Own your life and own you decisions for goodness sakes.

[IH8MyEx]

....I don't know why people call for back up...seriously?!...if you don't like that person and you see them alone...it's one on one from there on out....no need to drag other people in it

Moua shoulda just handled the biznazz solo

Maybe he didn't called for back up but like ihmong stated, Moua older bro was probably looking for Yang and he happened to caught him slipping and decided to inform the older bro about it. It does make logical sense when you really think about it because it was the older Moua that approached Yang. Hmmmmm it gets more interesting.

[Nom Phaj]

You don't have to be in a gang to be considered a gang-member.  As long as you associate with gang-members, you will be considered one.  Sorry but Pheng Lee made his decision.  He wanted to punk Yang with his homey's and that cost him his life.  I feel sorry for all of them because they are Hmong and they have to resort to violence to solve these things but then again, I'm not in their shoes and don't know what transpired to have such hatred towards each other.  RIP.

[Wi_sweetguy]

Read this from the article

"Outside the store, both men went to their cars, and Moua's brother and another man soon arrived in a car driven by Lee, the complaint said. The group approached Yang's vehicle, and Moua said he told Yang to leave him alone."

So if the group approach Yang's vechicle then it must be Moua and his crooks who started this mess and cause the situation to escalate.  Yang, on the other hand probbaly wanted to leave, but since he was confronted, he wanted to stand up for his pride. Moua got shot because he wanted to by trying to start a fight.  Lee knew he was going to participate in a fight or esle they wouldn't have gotten to the store in a short amount of time.  Lee, moua's brothers, and moua did not feel threaten in any way because they had more people.  Lee chose to back up his friends and chose to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.  I know Lee is probbaly not a ganster, nor his friends, but sometimes heated situations can make people flare up.  I know how it is like sometimes when have to stand up with your friends at no matter what the cost is for the moment.  situations like this is hard to deal with because you can't really put the blame on one person.  Yang should be jail for a long time for having a gun, and killing someone in the act of trying to self defense.  I don't know if this calls for self defense, but when you have 3 or 4 people at the side of your door then you might get scared and do something you shouldn't have done.  Sadly, a young brother who is trying to change and go to college died at a young age.  Put those thugs in prison.  Yang never did learned from his young years of conviction.  Let this be a reminded to all citizens that trying to be tough and gang life do not blend well.

Both families will suffered.  Rest in peace to Lee and Lee's friends will forever hold that resenment in their hearts of what they had cause. I hope both families will resolved things and slowly this incident will fade away.

[shina]

Self defend.  4 gang members approached him and he got scared so he shoot first.  You kill them first before they kill you. 

[IH8MyEx]

Self defend.  4 gang members approached him and he got scared so he shoot first.  You kill them first before they kill you. 

Still the dude is gonna go to jail because he's a felon and he's not suppose to be around any fire arms.