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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2012, 01:41:37 PM »
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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2012, 10:02:01 PM »
educated? If she's ugly it won't matter how educated she is.... :)



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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2012, 02:54:04 AM »
educated? If she's ugly it won't matter how educated she is.... :)

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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2012, 03:06:33 AM »
Why work hard when you can have the hot sexy woman work for you while you relax and chill. Just like how people work the welfare system. In this case your working hard as a male gold digger and is harder then as a woman gold digger. So if you got one stop complaing and just go with the flow.

Some stupid people who has made will go online and complain that they got it made just to bash others who don't. Still working on mines so stop bashing us up and comers male gold diggers got da..mit.



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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2012, 01:34:55 PM »
Something along the line of feminism I would have to say.

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And for the boys, something along the line of identity crisis, and lack of a good male role model.



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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2012, 01:53:53 PM »
I have to dumb down my PH comments to keep the fun for the rest but I have say it as it is from time to time.

Hmong parents FAILED their sons.  Period!



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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2012, 03:04:06 PM »
I have to dumb down my PH comments to keep the fun for the rest but I have say it as it is from time to time.

Hmong parents FAILED their sons.  Period!
it's not so much that they failed there son's But it's that they did not have a true grasp of how thing's worked here in America, so in fact only the most motivated and Studious made it into college. There parents seem to only push for marriage and jobs.



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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2012, 02:05:17 AM »
Jobs where women dominate are on the rise so women of any race have more opportunities. On the flip side of things, jobs where men dominate are being shipped outside the country or becoming obsolete so it's more competitive.



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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2012, 12:30:14 PM »
Unless, there is real stats to back up this claim...I think it's just a perception.... .

Hmong women are also more successful in the working world than Hmong men.  I blame PH, partially (j/k).

Your thoughts?



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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2012, 01:09:06 PM »
Hmong women are also more successful in the working world than Hmong men.  I blame PH, partially (j/k).

Your thoughts?

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For one your subject title needs some sentence structure. So that's one reason why Hmong men have failed... I would say the other problem would be that Hmong parents love and baby their sons too much. And Hmong girls have to win their parents love and appreciation.

I mean thats how I see it. My brothers get away with things I know my sister and I could never do when we were younger. And they mistreat my parents and disrespect them at the age of 13 and 15. I remember when I was around that age my sister and I never raised our voices or disrespect my parents in anyway.


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So you think you know how money works huh? Then why are you poor?

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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2012, 01:10:56 PM »
I thought men were the logical ones?

Women just have more self-discipline than men.

Women mature at a younger age, therefore set their priorities at the younger age. Men don't realize until they are in their mid/late 20's.

I should mention too, that attractive girls tend to have less education than less attractive girls, for obvious reasons.
Majority of the attractive Hmong girls are the first to be married, while the average Hmong girls are striving in school.



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So you think you know how money works huh? Then why are you poor?

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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2012, 03:11:24 PM »
It's a social construct that has the generation gap problem intertwine with it including external resource allocation factors.

SOCIAL CONSTRUCT:
1) CAUSE: Hmong favor boys more than girls.  EFFECT: Hmong girls have to work harder to prove themselves.
2) CAUSE: Hmong mother spoil their sons. EFFECT: Hmong sons does not work as hard as the daugthers.
3) CAUSE: Hmong mother have no identity (Niam Pebhmong Lis) and Individualism taught in school.  EFFECT: Hmogn girls work hard to become an individual not identified by their husband's work but by their good work.

These are lesser items I identified.

INCOGNITO

Hmong social/political system today are incognito of the American system.  Even though if we are recognize within the Hmong system, we are not recognize outside the Hmong system.

GENDER ROLE

If you look at the gender role of man vs woman in the Hmong community, you'll notice that woman are not to be in the governing body and thus for a woman who wishes to be exposed to leadership opportunity, that can only be obtained outside of the Hmong social construct.  So you'll see more woman in American leadership and you'll see more man in Hmong leadership.  It's by social construct of the gender role.  Which is more valuable?  Depends who you talk to.

GENETIC FACTOR   

We know that genetically woman are more favorable when it comes to nurturing, organization, and communication than man...if on even scale, I as a man believe woman are the superior leaders as defined by what leadership means today.

EXTERNAL FACTOR

There is a huge external factor for minority woman to acheive more because the labor department have identified that minority woman is one area GROSSLY under-represented.  So there is huge helping to being a minority woman.  As a student, minority woman have the greatest advantage during the education time period to even out with their male colleagues coming out of college due to the amount of advantage they can given at the educational level.  For those who take full advantage of this and have the full support of their family it is a huge difference maker...why this advantage exists is to offset where the family factor is poor.

CONCLUSION

So if you look at all these factors, one can simply say, like one person said on here...we raise our boys wrong and that is true...at best we raise them to be Hmong leaders and not futures Leaders of America.  Whereas, Hmong woman are raised to be like their mother but due to external factors, genetic factors, individual factors (a rebel), gender role and etc... the Hmong woman worker harder, excel better, and is provided better support due to the gender role to excel...if the woman takes advantage of all that the system has provided, they can go farther.  I'll end with a paraphrase of my high school couselor, there is no time better time to be a disadvantage minority woman than the time you are applying for support for college; and if you are a smart minority woman, and have your family's support, you can go VERY far in life.  She is correct when you look at it from a resource allocation.  FOLLOW THE $$ and you'll know why too.



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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2012, 05:48:10 PM »
The only thing that doesn't hold true about the Hmong parents baby their son theory is that many Hmong male doctors were also highly favored by their parents. I don't think you'll come across a successful and career-oriented Hmong man who will say that his parents didn't support him and encourage him. Thus, we have to throw out all those in the upper white collar tier. Let's just look at the average Hmong man compared to the average Hmong woman. The average Hmong man can excel quicker than the average Hmong man because the industries where women dominate are in high demand. Let's take nursing for example. That's one profession that isn't going to be outsourced any time soon. Hmong women pursuing this line of work can feel secure in their job whereas Hmong men who are vying for positions in the corporate world (and even specialized, highly-paid positions in manufacturing) are losing their jobs. Not only that but I believe it is that much more competitive for a Hmong man in a white-male driven world. There has been statistics about these kind of things. Men who are at least 6 feet or taller are paid more, promoted easily, yadda yadda yadda. Look at who fits the description?



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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2012, 06:07:10 PM »
The only thing that doesn't hold true about the Hmong parents baby their son theory is that many Hmong male doctors were also highly favored by their parents. I don't think you'll come across a successful and career-oriented Hmong man who will say that his parents didn't support him and encourage him. Thus, we have to throw out all those in the upper white collar tier. Let's just look at the average Hmong man compared to the average Hmong woman. The average Hmong man can excel quicker than the average Hmong man because the industries where women dominate are in high demand. Let's take nursing for example. That's one profession that isn't going to be outsourced any time soon. Hmong women pursuing this line of work can feel secure in their job whereas Hmong men who are vying for positions in the corporate world (and even specialized, highly-paid positions in manufacturing) are losing their jobs. Not only that but I believe it is that much more competitive for a Hmong man in a white-male driven world. There has been statistics about these kind of things. Men who are at least 6 feet or taller are paid more, promoted easily, yadda yadda yadda. Look at who fits the description?

Good point!  Okay, so I have to ask because your response poses an even greater question which I find to be almost taboo...some might even say whiny in nature.  Are you suggesting that Hmong woman have more advantage than Hmong man in an American society?   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o



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Re: Why Hmong Women are more educated than Hmong men?
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2012, 06:28:02 PM »
I actually believe that Hmong women do have a greater advantage than Hmong men in American Society just like Black women have more opportunities than Black men. Who do you think fills management positions when it comes to social work? Black women. Why? Black women can better serve black women. The whites are willing to give up these positions. That's just ONE example.

Sorry 8v, but the white man is trying to keep you away from the reigns of power. I can't believe as a Hmong brother you don't realize this. Pab koj tu siab. I've heard the white clan speak, having worked with so many and perhaps having infiltrated some forums here and there.  >:D You have to be three times as good to get paid equal to their average joe. No lie.



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