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Hmong Shamanism Should be Eliminated
« on: August 22, 2013, 09:16:37 AM »
Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~  The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead.  This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries. 

But there is a problem with this religion!  Especially if you're living in America.  One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals.  Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world.  If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!

But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories. 

1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity?  No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation?  No
3) Does this religion create fear and caution?  Yes

Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body."  This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick.  The "fear" tatic. 

Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~  If it did; the hmong culture would be very different.  Certain religion teaches "right from wrong"  but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings.  Shamanism teaches fear and prevention.  It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.

If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~  We see this in many Hmong families. 

Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community.  If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing.  There is no value~ in it.  The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing. 

If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors.  Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.




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Re: Hmong Shamanism Should be Eliminated
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2013, 09:21:23 AM »
How bout we eliminate HE while we're at it too.



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Re: Hmong Shamanism Should be Eliminated
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2013, 09:24:39 AM »
Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~  The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead.  This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries. 

But there is a problem with this religion!  Especially if you're living in America.  One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals.  Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world.  If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!

But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories. 

1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity?  No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation?  No
3) Does this religion create fear and caution?  Yes

Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body."  This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick.  The "fear" tatic. 

Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~  If it did; the hmong culture would be very different.  Certain religion teaches "right from wrong"  but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings.  Shamanism teaches fear and prevention.  It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.

If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~  We see this in many Hmong families. 

Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community.  If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing.  There is no value~ in it.  The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing. 

If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors.  Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.



You need to STFU you C U Next Tuesday. 



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Re: Hmong Shamanism Should be Eliminated
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2013, 09:31:14 AM »
I agree with some (green) and disagree with some (red) of the things you say.

Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~  The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead.  This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries.  

But there is a problem with this religion!  Especially if you're living in America.  One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals.  Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world.  If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!

But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories. 

1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity?  No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation?  No (salvation=yes... you can be saved by sacrificing to the spirit world)
3) Does this religion create fear and caution?  Yes

Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body."  This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick.  The "fear" tatic. 

Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~  If it did; the hmong culture would be very different.  Certain religion teaches "right from wrong"  but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings.  Shamanism teaches fear and prevention.  It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.

If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~  We see this in many Hmong families. 

Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community.  If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing.  There is no value~ in it.   There is value in it.  The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing. 

If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors.  ... on the side.   Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.





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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2013, 10:43:07 AM »
so hypocritical
people that go to church (not gonna discuss other religions) in general but lets talk focus on the hmongs

1.morals are taught by the parents, if their parents didnt have morals most likely none of their offsprings will either

2.salvation/enlightment is up to the person, god/jesus doesnt personally come down from above to heal you or what not, you the person just believe it so much that you feel healed (this is totally different from miracles)

3.fear is their too for church go-ers, they make you feel so paranoid about sinning that you try your best not to do anything wrong or you wont be accepted and make it thru the gates

what gets to me the most is "jesus/god will always forgive you"
thats the same as tellin someone who just commited murder, serve your time, get released, and be forgiven
while someone else is missing a loved one that was taken away

why do they pray for before they eat? i know for a fact that my a$$ has to go work for it, clean/cook it, then i can eat it, it was given to me!!

tho we shamanists may not physically see the other side we can still see the shaman doin his majic and still have a since of something is being done whether if it works or not

our shamans arent gods they are like lawyers, they enter the other realm and negotiate for us, it also has been with our hmong people since day one

church was never known until the white man came to the villages and preached about it

tho we may not see the spirits on the other side at least we dont kneel down and pray to someone that we definitely know doesnt look like us, we kneel down to the shaman in respect for him helping or trying to help us

i dont understand how every church go-er from all nations praise this god so much?? from what i understand ( i dont follow this religion but only know/remember from things taught in school) he was a jew so how does the latins have their own saints, blacks praise to a white guy, and hmongs just follow everyone else?



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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2013, 11:57:49 AM »
 :idiot2:  ...  nuff said.

Ooops, I forgot to mention  :idiot2:  ... nuff said.  (Clearly you are very ignorant, borderline idiocy, and it's just not regarding Hmong shamanism either, as others have already noted.)

Ua tsaug ...   :)



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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2013, 12:01:03 PM »
Japan is overwhelming majority of non-religious (contrary to belief, Buddhism and Shinto are not the majority religions). There are tales from foreigners who visit Japan say that you can forget your wallet or briefcase somewhere, return to it in a few hours and it will still be there or be turned into local authorities intact and untouched. Japan is one of the countries with the fewest crimes.

In South Korea, the majority is non-religious. Look at all the rapists, dissidents, and murderers in that country! /sarcasm

New Zealand is considered one of the most safest countries. There, the majority of the people are split nearly 50/50 between Protestant and non-religious. So if there are so many people without a moral compass a religion to tell them what is right and wrong, how can New Zealand be like this?

Sweden is also a place well-known for stability and non-violence. They also have a majority split 50/50 between Protestants and atheism/agnosticism.


Christianity isn't the world authority on compassion and good moral values. The world doesn't revolve around your religion.

Good for you if you need faith to teach you how to not be a douchebag in life. As for the rest of us non-religious folks, we use our brains and emotions.


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Re: Hmong Shamanism Should be Eliminated
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2013, 02:18:05 PM »
Hmong Everything, we need to rethink about whether shamanism is actually a religion. I don't think it is. But that's just my thinking.

To me, a religion entails a powerful spiritual deity that rewards good behavior and punishes bad behavior.  Something or someone that touches our conscience.  To the Chrisitans, that's God. To the Muslims, that's Allah. Etc. To the Hmong, we have had our ancestors and the natural spirits that play that role. So, our true Hmong religion is a combination of two: ancestor-worshiping and animism.

Siv Yis heals and exorcises but does not reward or punish our behaviors.  It cannot guide us into doing good things, so to say. He just has the power to chase out demons and the psychological effects  in our minds.

To me, that's not religion. But, again, that's just me.

Many of you grew up experiencing Hmong shamanism~  The hmong culture revolves around shamanism; the spiritual world of our ancestors and the dead.  This religion carries a deep root that has been practices for centuries. 

But there is a problem with this religion!  Especially if you're living in America.  One major problem with Hmong shamanism is that it doesn't teach people morals.  Hmong shamanism is a form of communication with the spiritual world.  If a person doesn't believe in spirituality - Hmong religion is just one big joke!

But lets dissect the religion into 3 catagories. 

1) Does this religion engage people's morality and humanity?  No
2) Does this religion help give people enlightment and salvation?  No
3) Does this religion create fear and caution?  Yes

Why are you afraid when an elder says "your spirit has left your body."  This fear and panic creates even more stress- and could cause you to become more sick.  The "fear" tatic. 

Why doesn't Hmong Shamanism teach morality and good judgement~  If it did; the hmong culture would be very different.  Certain religion teaches "right from wrong"  but Hmong shamanism lacks those teachings.  Shamanism teaches fear and prevention.  It doesn't teach moral values that can build a person to have good judgement.

If a person lacks good judgement; there will be violence and destruction~  We see this in many Hmong families. 

Religion is suppose to build a foundation for the people/family/community.  If a religion is only used as a "fear" tactic and a tool for healing.  There is no value~ in it.  The truth; spiritual healing is does not work~ it's a form of mental healing. 

If you raise your children around Shamanism; make sure to teach them good values and behaviors.  Many hmong parents forget to teach moral values to their children~ this always leads to abuse and violence in the future.





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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2013, 02:42:27 PM »
Yes, it isn't a conventional religion; definitely not an organized religion (but that's a good thing too). It's more like a set of beliefs.

Find a row of ten Hmong houses and each of them will have different nuances for hu plug, ua neeb, and how their xwv kab looks; even which ever shaman they use will all have their different equipment and styles. Find a row of ten Christian/Muslim houses and all of them will always pray at meals, attend service on a specific day (ex. Sunday church), all read the same book, etc.; don't matter if they are in North America, Europe, or Asia.



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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2013, 02:48:17 PM »
Shamans receive major respect.   My grandpa was one and when he passed out, hundreds of folks came to pay their respect.   O0



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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2013, 04:10:56 PM »
Hmong-Everything,
You bring up some very interesting topics and sound so sophisticated, but you do nothing but bash the Hmong community. If you want to be white, just convert and stay in your corner of the world.



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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2013, 05:02:29 PM »
Shamans receive major respect.   My grandpa was one and when he passed out, hundreds of folks came to pay their respect.   O0

How much did each pay?



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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2013, 05:03:00 PM »
Hmong-Everything,
You bring up some very interesting topics and sound so sophisticated, but you do nothing but bash the Hmong community. If you want to be white, just convert and stay in your corner of the world.

Are you suggesting dying his hair?



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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2013, 05:45:55 PM »
No, people have the right to practice whatever religion in this great country as long as they are not doing anything illegal such as sacraficing virgins.



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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2013, 06:22:16 PM »
No, people have the right to practice whatever religion in this great country as long as they are not doing anything illegal such as sacraficing virgins.

Or engage in terrorism?



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