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Txij Ncig thiab Tiam Tub Qav Tub Num
yuknowthat:
Can somebody teach us how to say those words when Txij Ncig and Tiam cov tub qav tub num, txiv qeej txiv nruas, thawj kav xwm etc..?
Certain community are small. Never know when one would need urgent help on this part.
HmongSandal:
I know how to say those ritual parts of each role, but it's not like remembering ABC. It's almost like reading a book and remembering parts of it, and learn as you go. As you go, you hear people say it and you take some of their words they use in their role to connect with yours. Cannot be learned as fast as URGENT. Months or years.. saddens me that young people these days don't want to learn anymore. Who would do it when we older generations die off? Are they going to rap and sing? LOL inside joke. :2funny:
yuknowthat:
--- Quote from: HmongSandal on May 19, 2014, 05:19:43 PM ---I know how to say those ritual parts of each role, but it's not like remembering ABC. It's almost like reading a book and remembering parts of it, and learn as you go. As you go, you hear people say it and you take some of their words they use in their role to connect with yours. Cannot be learned as fast as URGENT. Months or years.. saddens me that young people these days don't want to learn anymore. Who would do it when we older generations die off? Are they going to rap and sing? LOL inside joke. :2funny:
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well what is the respectful way to say to each person took those roles..
chidorix0x:
HmongSandal is correct. These ritual practices (sayings/phrases) is not something one can easily learn overnight, or even within a week or a month -- unless you are really gifted (as in photographic memory). The good part/news, for me, is that once you learn/memorize them, they are quite fun/easy to say, because it/they are poetry more or less. (Not the joyful and lovey-dovey kind unfortunately, but still fun nevertheless.)
I apprenticed for over a year, and I can honestly say, though I know most of it (Txhij Ncig, Txhem Tshwj) among other things (cov zaj); I have not used it to date as there are others who are favored to do this. But I am confident, once given the chance, I will be able to do this.
yuknowthat -- if you want to learn, you have to find a "xib fwb". If you take bits and pieces from others, simply by listening to them -- as HmongSandal suggested, and form your own verbiage/phrases/saying, in all likelihood it will not make sense, or be consistent. More importantly, those who know will know you are a FRAUD, though they won't say it to your face. That is just the etiquette. (That said, it does not mean once you have learned this well, that you cannot add or delete to improve your verbiage/phrases. You will know what I mean by this when/if you get there -- to that point.)
And each verbiage/saying is different for each individual/group: Thawj Xyom Cuab, Cuab Tsav, Txiv Taw Kev, Kav Xwm, Txiv Qeej, Tshwj Kav, Niam Ua Mov for each part, meaning "Txhij Ncig" and "Txhem Tshwj". Those two parts alone total fourteen (14) different verbiage/phrases one has to learn, memorize, and say.
Here ... I will give you a snip-pit of a few:
Rau sawv daws -- ... Peb tsis pom qab vam khom lub dag lub zog, peb thiaj vam nej sawv daws lub dag lub zog. Yog lid nod, leej uas peb thov ua Thawj Xyom Cuab -- peb yuav hu koj ua Thawj Xyom Cuab nod nawb. Koj txhob tu siab mog. Leej uas peb thov koj ua Txiv Cuab Tsav -- peb yuav hu koj ua Txiv Cuab Tsav nod nawb. Koj txhob tu siab mog
Rau Txhij Ncig -- ... Hnub nod, Tsev Vaj Lig Nqis yuav qaug. Plaub xo ncej ntug nqes yuav ntaus. Tsev Vaj Lig Nqis yuav ntuag. Plaub xo ncej ntug ces yuav muaj. Plaub xo ncej ntug ntxhov hnyos puav tam lid huab tsuj sawv npog ntuj. Huab dub sawv npog hnub. Huab ci sawv npog hli -- tsaus ntuj lis ntid puav tam lid muab ntaub maj rov raus nkaj.
Rau Txiv Taw Kev -- ... Yuav vam khom koj ua twb zoo taw kab kom ncaj kab, kom peb “e.g., niam” ncig yeev mus txog ntuj sua teb tom qab. Yuav vam khom koj ua twb zoo taw kev kom ncaj kev, kom peb niam ncig yeev mus txog ntuj sua teb rov tom peg.
chidorix0x:
--- Quote from: yuknowthat on May 20, 2014, 10:24:25 AM --- well what is the respectful way to say to each person took those roles..
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The "Right Way -- as in according to tradition". This is the most respected/accepted way.
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