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According to the Pioneer Press, a 27-year old St. Paul man was drown after his canoe which he rode with his two other friends were overturned at 11:46 am Sunday morning on Twin Lake. All three were drown and can't swim but two of his friends were able to get close to shore to be rescue with Vang Houa Thao still in the water. None of them were wearing life jacket. Vang's body was later recovered by members of the Ramsey County Sheriff's Office Dive Team on Sunday afternoon.

Vang's sister, Maiya Thao, 30, said losing her brother was even more heartbreaking because his death could have been prevented. "As smart as he was ... I was dumbfounded when I heard none of them had life jackets," Maiya Thao said. "He was a mediocre swimmer." Vang's brother, Chia Thao, 25, said that the three friends had launched the canoe from a friend's house on the lake and that there were life jackets at the house for people to use. "They said, 'We have them here for a reason,' " Chia Thao said.

At least two dozen family members and friends gathered at the lake Sunday to mourn Vang's death.


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Re: Body of missing canoeist recovered from Little Canada lake
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2015, 08:06:33 PM »
A lot of Hmong just don't wear life jackets.  Plus they tend to overload their watercrafts.



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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2015, 10:51:07 PM »
Aw that's a tragic loss. Lyn agree with what Vang's sister said, this could have been prevented. Life jacket is there for a reason. Hopefully the other two friends learn from this, going into the lake without safety equipment is very risky. Lyn pray condolence to the family for their loss.



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Re: Body of missing canoeist recovered from Little Canada lake
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2015, 01:15:15 AM »
Can't swim and yet no life jackets on but in deep water = serious disaster.

According to the Pioneer Press, a 27-year old St. Paul man was drown after his canoe which he rode with his two other friends were overturned at 11:46 am Sunday morning on Twin Lake. All three were drown and can't swim but two of his friends were able to get close to shore to be rescue with Vang Houa Thao still in the water. None of them were wearing life jacket. Vang's body was later recovered by members of the Ramsey County Sheriff's Office Dive Team on Sunday afternoon.

Vang's sister, Maiya Thao, 30, said losing her brother was even more heartbreaking because his death could have been prevented. "As smart as he was ... I was dumbfounded when I heard none of them had life jackets," Maiya Thao said. "He was a mediocre swimmer." Vang's brother, Chia Thao, 25, said that the three friends had launched the canoe from a friend's house on the lake and that there were life jackets at the house for people to use. "They said, 'We have them here for a reason,' " Chia Thao said.

At least two dozen family members and friends gathered at the lake Sunday to mourn Vang's death.


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Re: Body of missing canoeist recovered from Little Canada lake
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2015, 06:37:12 PM »
That's too bad, can't swim but no life jackets.  What's there to say about it.



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Re: Body of missing canoeist recovered from Little Canada lake
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2015, 08:03:18 AM »
In a serious note, even if you wear a life jacket...What about the zaj? Life jacket won't project you from the dragon taking your spirit away....MN is known to have zajs in almost every lake.....



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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2015, 02:18:18 PM »
In a serious note, even if you wear a life jacket...What about the zaj? Life jacket won't project you from the dragon taking your spirit away....MN is known to have zajs in almost every lake.....

There has never been a case where someone fell overboard with their life jacket on, and suddenly was pulled out of their life jacket by "something" not human. Or there has never been a case where witnesses describe an actual "something" pulling someone under.

Do ghosts and spirits like "zaj" exist? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe "zaj" made the young men feel overly safe and created an easy situation to take (drown) them. But if that's what you are saying, then I can also guess that it was not zaj and it was the leprechaun hiding in the bushes that casted a spell on the men to either forget or not see the life jackets. What if a white person drowned in Ohio or Utah? Was it zaj? I just hate superstitious/super-natural explanations because anyone can come up with anything.

Based on all accounts, the men made a fatal mistake and tragedy happened. Nothing more, nothing less. I prefer it this way.



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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2015, 02:24:20 PM »
Muskies have attacked swimmers.



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Re: Body of missing canoeist recovered from Little Canada lake
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2015, 02:37:43 PM »
There has never been a case where someone fell overboard with their life jacket on, and suddenly was pulled out of their life jacket by "something" not human. Or there has never been a case where witnesses describe an actual "something" pulling someone under.

Do ghosts and spirits like "zaj" exist? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe "zaj" made the young men feel overly safe and created an easy situation to take (drown) them. But if that's what you are saying, then I can also guess that it was not zaj and it was the leprechaun hiding in the bushes that casted a spell on the men to either forget or not see the life jackets. What if a white person drowned in Ohio or Utah? Was it zaj? I just hate superstitious/super-natural explanations because anyone can come up with anything.

Based on all accounts, the men made a fatal mistake and tragedy happened. Nothing more, nothing less. I prefer it this way.

It's plausible that anything could have happen. We just don't know what really happen because we weren't there to witness it. We can all assume in the different ideas be bring to the table. In shamanism, we believe zaj took him. In Christianity, we believe god took him. 



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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2015, 12:19:23 AM »
It's plausible that anything could have happen. We just don't know what really happen because we weren't there to witness it. We can all assume in the different ideas be bring to the table. In shamanism, we believe zaj took him. In Christianity, we believe god took him.

We may believe what we want, but we KNOW he didn't know how to swim, didn't have a life jacket, fell overboard, and drowned. That's all there is to it. No need to bring in leprechauns, dragons, black magic, etc. These things are way beyond human understanding anyway.


Muskies have attacked swimmers.

Attacked, yes. But attack, drown, and kill? There has never been a case of human death by muskie. Muskie, alligator gar, flathead catfish, snapping turtles (common snapper are more aggressive than alligator snappers), otters (very territorial), these creatures will sometimes attack a human unprovoked. More often than not, it is a territorial aggression reaction or it thinks a pinky, a toe, or a shiny ring on a finger is prey. But never would any of these creature actively pursue a human for the purpose of consuming as food. The only North American animals that will attack a human with the intent to kill and consume us for food are polar bear, brown bear, timber wolf, a few shark species (most notably tiger shark), and coyotes will try to attack and take away children but rarely will attack an adult human for food.



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Re: Body of missing canoeist recovered from Little Canada lake
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2015, 05:52:20 AM »
We may believe what we want, but we KNOW he didn't know how to swim, didn't have a life jacket, fell overboard, and drowned. That's all there is to it. No need to bring in leprechauns, dragons, black magic, etc. These things are way beyond human understanding anyway.


Attacked, yes. But attack, drown, and kill? There has never been a case of human death by muskie. Muskie, alligator gar, flathead catfish, snapping turtles (common snapper are more aggressive than alligator snappers), otters (very territorial), these creatures will sometimes attack a human unprovoked. More often than not, it is a territorial aggression reaction or it thinks a pinky, a toe, or a shiny ring on a finger is prey. But never would any of these creature actively pursue a human for the purpose of consuming as food. The only North American animals that will attack a human with the intent to kill and consume us for food are polar bear, brown bear, timber wolf, a few shark species (most notably tiger shark), and coyotes will try to attack and take away children but rarely will attack an adult human for food.

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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2015, 05:24:16 PM »
If you could help the family of Vang Houa Thao in this time of condolence, feel free to donate and help them give peace to their love one. O0

http://www.gofundme.com/t34gh4v?fb_action_ids=10206035832362311&fb_action_type s=og.shares&fb_ref=undefined&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_ map=%5B787181704723792%5D&action_type_ma p=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22undefined%22%5D

Aw.. he looks like a nice gentlemen too :'(, Lyn is honor to donated $50 to help his family. May his family stay strong and his spirit find peace. O0



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Re: Body of missing canoeist recovered from Little Canada lake
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2015, 10:48:40 PM »
We may believe what we want, but we KNOW he didn't know how to swim, didn't have a life jacket, fell overboard, and drowned. That's all there is to it. No need to bring in leprechauns, dragons, black magic, etc. These things are way beyond human understanding anyway.


Attacked, yes. But attack, drown, and kill? There has never been a case of human death by muskie. Muskie, alligator gar, flathead catfish, snapping turtles (common snapper are more aggressive than alligator snappers), otters (very territorial), these creatures will sometimes attack a human unprovoked. More often than not, it is a territorial aggression reaction or it thinks a pinky, a toe, or a shiny ring on a finger is prey. But never would any of these creature actively pursue a human for the purpose of consuming as food. The only North American animals that will attack a human with the intent to kill and consume us for food are polar bear, brown bear, timber wolf, a few shark species (most notably tiger shark), and coyotes will try to attack and take away children but rarely will attack an adult human for food.
There was a little Hmong child who was taken by something in lake phalen.  The child went under water  in the beach area and was never recovered.  I personally known the mother and this was like the worst day of her life.  Back then we used to see muskies swimming through the narrow channels.



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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2015, 09:53:42 PM »
There was a little Hmong child who was taken by something in lake phalen.  The child went under water  in the beach area and was never recovered.  I personally known the mother and this was like the worst day of her life.  Back then we used to see muskies swimming through the narrow channels.

Phalen Lake is very deep - 90 feet. I'm sure if you researched and looked up the history of all of the drownings in Phalen, I wouldn't doubt it if there were many that were never found because it is deep and large. And "taken" is a bit of a stretch. If someone is clearly being dragged with their arms up like in the shark movies, then yes, you can say they were taken. But in the case of the Hmong child, he/she most likely lost their footing or went in too deep, couldn't find their footing, couldn't swim, and we know what happens to the rest of the story.

Even a 40-50lbs flathead catfish with a mouth gape of 12" and more, way larger than a muskie, would have a hard time consuming a 20", 5-10lbs carp. It's highly unlikely, even impossible, for a muskie to drag away a human child even if it wanted to eat it...which is even more unlikely because like I stated in my earlier post, there has never been a case and the only North American animals known to hunt humans for consumption are large land mammals.



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