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Offline Drift1Leeg

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Hmong men/women volleyball
« on: August 06, 2015, 08:45:11 PM »
can someone tell me why.. the Hmong volleyball tournaments are not playing rally points like modern sport?  it takes forever to finished a set and so boring.



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Re: Hmong men/women volleyball
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2015, 09:26:34 PM »
Cuz these people don't even know the actual rules.



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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2015, 09:28:57 PM »
No need to be hating.  Maybe they like their rules.  Maybe it's a simple homage.  If the players hate it that much, then stop playing so the organizers would get a hint. 

Cuz these people don't even know the actual rules.



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Re: Hmong men/women volleyball
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2015, 02:02:41 AM »
One tourney got canceled on the day of... 17 men's team and 5 women's team...there was no net set up whatsoever...a round noon, after several complaints... Mostly from the women.  Someone representing the organization of the event came and said, they canceled because they did not have enough teams.  So sorry, no refunds, no prize money, no trophies, no nets or courts.  You're in WI, now.  These are WI rules...
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Re: Hmong men/women volleyball
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2015, 10:31:39 AM »
Are the rules not fair now?  I know that they aren't pro rules, but do the rules change from game to game at tournaments? 

hmong are the slowest to adapt...if it's not broken, don't fix it, mentality.  i do agree that they should incorporate the new rules as they (organizers) can have something to fall back on, if there should be a dispute.  Rules that are fair and make sense.

however, it is just a game rule and should be understood as such...a game to play and have fun with.



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Re: Hmong men/women volleyball
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2015, 11:30:27 AM »
I don't think that is a big deal as long as it's the same rules your opponent is playing by.  If you can play, then the rule variations won't kill your game.  For example, the rules are different for beach and indoor.  The difference doesn't confuse them.  Or, look at basketball.  The rules are very different from local tournaments and even pickup games to the pro game.  In the end, if you can ball, it doesn't matter. 

what we like to see is being universal with rules when it comes to games.  we would not want to look like fools when participant in other non-hmong tournaments and expect to play by the old rules.



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Re: Hmong men/women volleyball
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2015, 05:59:54 PM »
Wait, I am confused. 

1.  In Hmong rules or official rules, it should still be fair game as long as it is called fair.  There are silly rules in both, but the game itself should be fair.  I am not understanding how Hmong rules are unfair. 

2.  Even if other teams were allowed to keep their tall guys in the front the entire time, that doesn't stop you from doing the same thing.  It's still fair. 

3.  Maybe you think the unfairness comes from the lack of competitive disparity, but that is not exclusive to just Hmong rules.  Short Hmong players will have a hard time against taller players regardless of the rules.  At best, maybe the short Hmong guys can play libero. Physical talents will always be an advantage in any sport.

4.  Maybe the new rules are more exiting and enjoyable for today's players and spectators.  Which actually begs the question: Do you know why the official rules are what they are?  In an attempt to make volleyball more accessible to the public and the TV market, a lot of rules were changed.  Rally scoring was introduced to make scoring easier to follow.  The libero was introduced to allow more digs and extend plays.  Double hits were allowed to extend plays.  Hits off the body were allowed to extend plays.  In beach, blocks now count as a hit so that there would be more excitement.  All these rule changes have very little to do about fairness. 

A good example would be 9 Man, which is played largely by the Chinese community.  The rules of 9 Man are quite different from volleyball, yet similar.  The guys who are good at 9 Man are also good at regular volleyball. 

I think both games are fair. However, the new rules are probably better at time management, and today's spectators and players may like the new rules more. 

quite the truth...if one has the fundamental knowledge they can play the sport..but changes to rules makes the game more exciting, more enjoyable and fair played.  hmong (old) rules doesn't enforce rotation...ima ging if I have 2-3, 6'5"+ guys upfront at all times....us, short little hmong players, probably stands no chance.  if we want to be competitive, we should all play by the updated rules.



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Re: Hmong men/women volleyball
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2015, 03:36:54 AM »
Are the rules not fair now?  I know that they aren't pro rules, but do the rules change from game to game at tournaments?
Do you not play or watched the volleyball games at these tournaments?

Are there appointed refs to make fair calls?  Like consistent fairness from beginning to end? 




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Re: Hmong men/women volleyball
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2015, 03:53:27 AM »
Wait, I am confused. 

1.  In Hmong rules or official rules, it should still be fair game as long as it is called fair.  There are silly rules in both, but the game itself should be fair.  I am not understanding how Hmong rules are unfair. 

2.  Even if other teams were allowed to keep their tall guys in the front the entire time, that doesn't stop you from doing the same thing.  It's still fair. 

3.  Maybe you think the unfairness comes from the lack of competitive disparity, but that is not exclusive to just Hmong rules.  Short Hmong players will have a hard time against taller players regardless of the rules.  At best, maybe the short Hmong guys can play libero. Physical talents will always be an advantage in any sport.

4.  Maybe the new rules are more exiting and enjoyable for today's players and spectators.  Which actually begs the question: Do you know why the official rules are what they are?  In an attempt to make volleyball more accessible to the public and the TV market, a lot of rules were changed.  Rally scoring was introduced to make scoring easier to follow.  The libero was introduced to allow more digs and extend plays.  Double hits were allowed to extend plays.  Hits off the body were allowed to extend plays.  In beach, blocks now count as a hit so that there would be more excitement.  All these rule changes have very little to do about fairness. 

A good example would be 9 Man, which is played largely by the Chinese community.  The rules of 9 Man are quite different from volleyball, yet similar.  The guys who are good at 9 Man are also good at regular volleyball. 

I think both games are fair. However, the new rules are probably better at time management, and today's spectators and players may like the new rules more.
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You are ultimately confused and misguided... LOL. Talk about contradictory.

As Hmong saying, can't help you.



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Re: Hmong men/women volleyball
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2015, 03:54:37 AM »
WTF are you whining about?   :idiot2:

Pt 4

You are ultimately confused and misguided... LOL. Talk about contradictory.

As Hmong saying, can't help you.



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Re: Hmong men/women volleyball
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2015, 04:00:10 AM »
Just laughing.   :2funny:



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Re: Hmong men/women volleyball
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2015, 04:03:25 AM »
Suddenly you know why the official rules are what they are... :2funny:




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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2015, 04:05:04 AM »
We both know the truth.   :2funny:

Just laughing.   :2funny:



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