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Re: Hmong burial and Chinese duckED UP MOVE!
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2016, 08:49:50 AM »
I will only adopt what makes Hmong strong and not stupid. Again, we are so many like those ants who cannot win against one giant dung beetle. I understand that Hmong are afraid of China; however, there is a saying to what makes our will to be a strong will is because we have a will that never gives up. Chinese considered us a formidable foe is because we can kill them. If San Miao States doesn't rebel, then Hmong are too stupid. Chinese are cowards as we go to our Hmong history. They always outsmart us like ib niag khib xuab. They don't honor a fair fight; they always cheat and win against us. They are cowards. Did you know that Japan called them cowards too? There is no honor for a man to be a coward if one doesn't defend his or her own people. As it again, I will say it again, "Leave culture aside, that makes us weak. We must have strong ground and rebel China for good." If we win against China, I will put an independence between us. I will ally with Japan or Korea for an economic trade in order to protect us from the Chinese persecution. We need money; we need resource that we can trade for the world. Why can't Hmong look at the reality of that?

Culture is what keeps your people as one at the moment, a unifying political force, until they are mature and strong enough. Being united is strength. You are failing to see how important culture plays into this. When ppl share the same values they group together; they hang out together and share each others views; they support and try to achieve similar goals, etc. This is strength, this is strategy. ..Your chance to "rebel" against China won't happen for generations or even centuries from now. Until then you still have to keep your Hmong people/army as one, especially since they are divided by geography, some living in America, others in Europe, and some within the PRC itself. Make sure your Hmong in China (and elswhere) don't abandon their heritage and become Chinese themselves. When that happens, your goal/dream ends... Your date with destiny will no longer be... Just like all those other small ppl/nation getting absorbed into a bigger empire and over time becoming ppl of that empire.

Right now Hmong are in a fragile state. You need do to keep them as one. And grow as one, and grow strong. Once you start thinking about the steps you will see that christianity/assimilation is like hyenas picking off the herd... Until statehood occurs, at which time you can debate about other issues of what defines/constitutes Hmong (kind of like how Americans are debating about American issues and who will be allowed in or not), since you will have the land as the umbrella identity for everyone, you must be disciplined.


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Re: Hmong burial and Chinese duckED UP MOVE!
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2016, 09:34:43 AM »
Christianity belongs to Jewish and Greeks. What did Christianity do to you? If you read the bible, there's not one word that declares that you should hate humanity. Again, I will not allow religion to be mix with politics. You're trying to mix Hmong culture with politics. I don't allow that in my political realm. Again, culture or any religion has to be separated. Did you know that Jesus Christ agrees that religion and politics has to be separated? Go read Mark Chapter 12. That will explain the separation between Church, Culture, and State.

If you bring Hmong culture to Hmong politics if we had a nation, I will not allow you to run at all. It's either you join the politics as you leave your culture aside, or don't join at all. If you want to share your religion, you can; however, no preaching. You can speak about your faction of religion, but you cannot preach. To make it fair, I will not allow any religion to preach on political realm is because they don't mix. Water and oil don't mix. You can share each other's aspect, but no preaching while having a political debate.

If Hmong people wants a nation, we have to fight against China for our land to be return. There are 4 billion of us; yet, we stand around like, "Me no want probrem."

Again, you don't bring your religion to your work place. Your work is your work, okay? You and I are talking about Hmong politics, not Hmong culture. If it's culture you're talking about, then you are not supporting the Hmong community with a stronger political ground. Culture has to be put on the side, please...

Ummm,,, wha? You serious? Maybe you made a typo and meant 4 million(?).

If we have 4 billion we wouldn't just want part of China, but the whole itself. Maybe even the Asian continent. Better yet, the world.



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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2016, 05:49:23 PM »
Again, religion doesn't affect the nation. America is doing this just fine if we adopt that system to push out religion on their own boundaries. If you reject ALL religion except for your own--that's IF we have a country--the world will you as a stupid, anti-religious man who doesn't tolerate other religion. The only religion that I will forbid will be muslim is because they don't do anything that is fair. If they don't want our religion in their country, then I will not allow theirs in my country. I will allow someone's religion to be in MY country if they allow ours. That is what I see fair of religion.

You are always preaching about separation of state and religion and yet you say that you don't want Muslims in your country. Islam is a religion. This means that you are saying that religion can divide a nation whether you want to see it or not.

With this mindset, you are/will deny any Hmong person who practice Islam to live in the "Hmong" country you envision.



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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2016, 12:41:37 AM »
I just wasted time with an idiot aka Kevin Vang here. Ruam npaum koj es tseem xav vam tau haiv thiab? Niag twb tsim paub pib qhov twg thiaj taug tau txoj kev ntawd.

Hopefully others reading this will have learnt something.



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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2016, 12:47:02 AM »
You're correct. It is a typo. :o

Yah, and what are you doing to do with 4 million people vs 1+ billion, while the latter has better tech as well?



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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2016, 03:40:50 AM »
Dude, is it fair that they don't want our religion to be in their country? Let me ask you about what is fair. If you want something from me as a trade, what do you have? If you want something from me, but you won't let me have something of yours, is it wrong for Muslim not allowing us to put OUR shaman religion in their country? My friend, I will allow someone's religion to come into my country IF they allow our religion to be in theirs as well. Now that is fair. Is it not?

If I were you, go find their laws and checkout to what they think about other religion. Muslim is a theocracy country; yet, they don't allow any other religion to come in into THEIR country. It's what I called, "Muslim is being racist to other religion." That is why I forbid muslim's teaching until they open a door for us.

Stop trying to use fairness to justify your reason for not allowing Islam in the country. "Fair" is the reason why your argument is wrong. What's not fair is, you claiming separation of religion and state, religion should stay out of politics, and yet use religion as a governmental/political policy for a certain group of people believing in a particular religion.

Answer your own question.

Uh, religion doesn't destroy anyone's culture. According to the American Constitution, religion has been separated from government and state laws. Therefore, I don't mind about having more than one religion. It's not the religion; it's what other cultures that practice without religion are attacking us. Culture vs. Religion is far different. Culture, I will say, "Yes, we should put some boundary on our people." As for religion, why against that?

I am a Christian; however, that doesn't mean I will automatically lose my identity. I don't want to lose my ID, nor losing my history and heritage. It's fine about the religion since as a Hmong person, I don't want to look like a anti-religious bigot. It's best for religion to be separated on its own.

You've been going at it with yeejkoob about religion and the government. Is it fair for yeejkoob that he is not allow to use religion to back up his argument but it is OK for you to do so?

Follow what you preach, keep religion out of government and politics.



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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2016, 05:09:33 AM »
Dude, is it fair that they don't want our religion to be in their country? Let me ask you about what is fair. If you want something from me as a trade, what do you have? If you want something from me, but you won't let me have something of yours, is it wrong for Muslim not allowing us to put OUR shaman religion in their country? My friend, I will allow someone's religion to come into my country IF they allow our religion to be in theirs as well. Now that is fair. Is it not?

If I were you, go find their laws and checkout to what they think about other religion. Muslim is a theocracy country; yet, they don't allow any other religion to come in into THEIR country. It's what I called, "Muslim is being racist to other religion." That is why I forbid muslim's teaching until they open a door for us.

I won't even answer that question, I'll just let Matt answer it.



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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2016, 06:45:24 PM »
So your saying fair is immorally wrong? Wow. I forbid Muslim in our community. Politics is politics; religion is religion. Yeej ask me about Hmong culture in politics and I forbid culture in politics. I am against his view about having Hmong culture in Hmong politics. Yeej declares that we should preserve Hmong culture; yet, how us he going to do that when other nations are attacking you with other culture dominance? What you need is politics before dealing with culture. Politics is first. Then culture domination is second. The last is religion. Thy are all >:D separate. If politics doesn't come first, don't speak of preserving Hmong culture. No military; no protection; also, no senators or having a construct of our own constitution. I ask Yeej about this. He keeps bringing religion when I am against religion and culture if this was a political debate. What's politics belong to politics.

There you go again with, religion shouldn't be involve with politics, and yet you bring in religion (Islam) into your argument. And stop using "fair" as if your policy is a fair policy. Refusing someone into the community because of his/her religion is not fair.

So your saying fair is immorally wrong?

What I am saying is that your "No Muslims Allowed" policy is immoral.




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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2016, 07:29:15 PM »
Dude, is it fair that they don't want our religion to be in their country?




Show me evidence where all Muslims don't want other religion in a country. Show me evidence that every Muslims in the USA doesn't want other religion in the USA.

Tell me how many countries from this list that doesn't allow other religions in their country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country



If I were you, go find their laws and checkout to what they think about other religion. Muslim is a theocracy country; yet, they don't allow any other religion to come in into THEIR country. It's what I called, "Muslim is being racist to other religion." That is why I forbid muslim's teaching until they open a door for us.

I didn't need to do research about Muslims not allowing other religions in their country. I see it myself in the USA that not every Muslims don't allow other religions to be in this country. But I did provide a list of countries that have Muslims in it and a lot of those countries allow people who practice other religions in them.

If a country doesn't allow other religions being practice in the country, then it is because of the nation's/gvernment's policy/politics that does not allow other religions. If a country refuse to share its resources with you(your nation), then you can also refuse to share your resources with that country. But refusing to share your resources with a religion is just plain wrong and immoral, especially when there are other countries with that same religion are willing to share their resources with you. And especially when some of the people excavating your resources for you practice that same religion. Islam is not a country, it is a religion. Muslims are not countries, they are people who practice the Islam religion.

KEEP RELIGION OUT OF POLITICS

You may know how to type those words, but you do not know how to act on those words.



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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2016, 11:57:09 PM »
Go to Saudi Arabia. They forbid any religion to intervene their theocracy. I forbid Islam; however, I don't forbid the people. The people can come and live in my country; however, under one rule: If you allow us to teach our teachings to you, we can allow your teachings to be onto us.

As for muslim who studies polygamy in the islamic world, I forbid polygamy. That also destroy Hmong polygamy since I will destroy, persecute, and purge the polygamist is because of its immorality around it. Women are being abused far too much because of that reason. I won't show mercy on the polygamist. Once you practice it, you're done for...that's IF Hmong had a nation. I will adopt Japanese and American rules since I see that they can run the country with full potential of prosperity. China and America, I will forbid corruption on two sides:

1. Fair court trial with no money bargain on the judges, cops, and any high officials (Don't want another Dylan Yang court case).
2. No corruption in Banks (Don't deposit your money in China. They will steal it.)

I have more rules to apply for a Hmong country:

1. Force all homeless people to go and get a FUKING job, or be force to join the military for life. Also, you can get an education to bypass the military in order to see that you are making progress on your own future.
2. Social-Capitalism will apply to our people. It's an adoption from Japan.
3. Jobs will be looking for you. You don't have to find a job since any job on your level of education will come and find you instead.
4. Personal doctors that you have signed on will come to your house rather you go to the hospital.
5. Our laws will be similar to the constitution of America.
6. As for our economic stance, we will have to be a capitalist on foreign countries is because they are not our domestic citizen. For those who are domestic will be treated as a socialist state with government help in order for everyone not to suffer the poverty line. Anyone who is not a citizen, they will face the full extent of high tax and high needs. If you are born as a Hmong person, you are automatically a citizen, even if you are born from a different country. For those who are immigrants and are not Hmong, will have to take the citizenship test. Then you will receive the good stuff from the Hmong government.
7. As for military, I will buy heavy infantry, heavy tanks, and focusing on air strikes along with naval power to support our ground. If we can scare Thailand and Laos, they will back off from our people for a very long time. I will ally with Vietnam for personal war issue against China since we both share a common enemy.
8. We will have 3 parties: Liberals, Conservatives, and both who are in the middle.

These are my small brainstorm for a Hmong country.

I'm still waiting on your evidence that all Muslims don't allow other religions in their country.  Saudi Arabia is one country. Where are your evidences for all Muslims?




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« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2016, 12:04:27 AM »
Why do you care about Islam? They are fuking racist; yet, you allow these racist cuunts to come in and barge their religion into my people? Have you not seen their crazy theocracy? I will not allow the teachings of Islam like how Japan does it to protect their country. If Islam will drop their racist religion, suicide bombings, and allow other religions to come in into their country, that's when I will allow Islam to flourish in my country. Let me ask you this, "Do you want any terrorist to do some crazy bombings?" France got their problem and look what just happen to them.

Who said anything about terrorists?  I'm talking about your policy of not allowing Muslims in your country.

Again,  show me the evidence that all Muslims are terrorists,  suicide bombers and such.  How come we don't see all the Muslims in the USA doing all this?



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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2016, 12:07:41 AM »
So you will allow an enemy to barge in? Great...we just allow terrorist to attack us. Did you know that China is being targeted as the number 2 on the hit list for the Islamic nation? Chinese muslim are willingly to go and bomb themselves if you look at what Islam can do to the world. I will have to agree that if they allow us to watch them, then they can watch us. I cannot allow a ninja, a spy, or someone who will destroy my people. We have lives who are feared by these people. Yet, you so willingly allow them to come. Great...anothe r Hmong fallen nation like how we did it to China. We allow the great tour for the Chinese to invade us. Just perfect!

This isn't the wizard of oz, the straw man doesn't belong in here.



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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2016, 12:20:05 AM »
The afterlife,

Do you have anything other than red herrings and straw man attacks to defend your argument?  If you do, than show me.



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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2016, 09:19:56 PM »
So you agree to not allow Christianity.



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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2016, 09:30:05 PM »
In politics, NO! Else where as in separation, yes. I will adopt how America will adopt. Christianity can be teach, but not muslim is because of terrorist attack. Christianity was allowed in Japan and Korea. China, however, there's a certain extent to what you can preach.

If Muslim allow Shaman to teach in their country, then I will allow their religion in my country. However, I am FULL aware of spies who acts like they are religious people when they are not. I would keep an eye on them if something smells fishy.

America is very smart. They sell their phones in order to spy other countries since that's what the CIA has been doing. America has censored Chinese's technology is because of that reason. They don't want anyone to spy in their country. Therefore, having a ninja in black in your country can be highly dangerous. If I buy American phone, I make sure the chip inside of it is OUT!

What I meant was, you agree that Christianity shouldn't be allow at all in the Hmong country. All your arguments are the denial of everything except Hmong. Therefore you do agree with yeejkoob. So why are you arguing against him?


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