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God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« on: July 05, 2017, 03:41:52 AM »
Neitzche wrote:

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

Jordan Peterson and Ravi Zachariah are conservative Christian who understands the god is dead quote as understood by Neitzche.  Neitzche knew if God is dead, man would unleash tyranny on himself without restraint.  As we have come to know without the notion of God many men have found the works of Nicolle Makaveli insightful to political progress (purging).  Stalin with the millions of Russians murdered for political purging.  Mao with the millions of Chinese.  Pol Pot with the millions.  God is dead and so too are our moral grounding and the end justifies the means.  Today Chinese will say millions are worth a unified China.  How so easily those words roll off their tongues as benefactors of the suffering and lives lost.   They didn't seem to care Or empathize with the suffering or pay any respect to their sacrifices.  Tomorrow, is the cost of hundreds of millions human dignity acceptable for progressing AI and Automation?  If God is dead, and in accordance to the Prince by Makaveli, ABSOLUTELY!  Is a world where your child is a means to an end a world worth embracing?  Or should we embrace a world of compassion, love and empathy?  If God is dead, who will stop monsters?  Good men?  On what grounds?  What mode/mindset will secularism show again?


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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2017, 05:57:50 AM »
What if I tell you a story about my experience of having a rapport with God, will you be able to listen? I don't think so.  ::) ;D



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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2017, 01:49:23 PM »
What if I tell you a story about my experience of having a rapport with God, will you be able to listen? I don't think so.  ::) ;D

Please share.  How do you know?  What is there to be afraid of?  Rejection?  LOL...



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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2017, 06:20:31 PM »
Please share.  How do you know?  What is there to be afraid of?  Rejection?  LOL...

I ain't afraid. I've got a feeling that you'll never believe everything that I'm gonna explain.  :-\ :knuppel2:



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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2017, 10:30:49 PM »
This is why socialism is not only anti-Christian but anti-humankind.

It comes under the guise of peace and equality but the results are neither. Why? Because people are born uniquely different with different talents and skills. There will never be equal outcome. Socialism proposes to bring equal outcome for all. This means suppressing, stealing, and even killing some in order to bring the sameness.

Why can't Bernie Sanders supporters understand this? Why are they so stupid? Being born stupid is not a sin, but willfully choosing to be stupid is next to being godless.

Choose the gift of discernment people. But first, you must fear the lord to gain wisdom.



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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2017, 10:47:15 PM »
When reading  this thread title. It reminds me of this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0KTUAi3uiM



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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2017, 11:49:54 AM »
of course god is dead
how do you explain his absence?



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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2017, 04:10:06 PM »
I ain't afraid. I've got a feeling that you'll never believe everything that I'm gonna explain.  :-\ :knuppel2:

If you never try how do you know?  Also, how do you know your idea is worth holding onto if you never tell anyone to test the idea?  Science is all about telling ideas so others can review and challenge it.  Sometimes it takes hundreds of years or thousands before the right person with the right insight tell everybody they are wrong and that change agent may suffer a martyrdom but in the end become immortalize in history.  What's so scary?  Gosh, most people die a purposeless death...You can be immortalize ;)



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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2017, 04:13:15 PM »
of course god is dead
how do you explain his absence?

This post isn't a debate on God is or isn't.  This post assumes God is dead...now what...What shall we do now?  How shall we act and behave?

I've defended God all my life and frankly, instead of defending him, I want him dead too, so we can see what is it like without God.  How else will we appreciate something if we always have it and take it for granted.  It's like freedom and liberty...we take it for granted.  It's like justice.  We take it for granted.  Let us all imagine a world without God.  How will we achieve liberty and freedom?  Can we under Darwinian process?  Can we have morality given the sacred laws are dead too?  How will we define justice, freedom, liberty, morality, etc...  This is the revelation Neitzche had and he was AFRAID...  God is COMFORTING...b ut without God there is no comfort.  There is no place to put our morals upon...so man has to make it up...How will we???  Can we agree?  Can we arrive to a consensus?  Hard stuff now since man has to become god to make the world work again.  How ironic isn't it?  To kill god only to become god to make the world work again.   ;D ;D ;D


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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2017, 07:23:02 PM »
of course god is dead
how do you explain his absence?

How can something you claim "isn't real," be dead?



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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2017, 10:34:26 AM »
This post isn't a debate on God is or isn't.  This post assumes God is dead...now what...What shall we do now?  How shall we act and behave?
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we live life as it is...no need for worries of purgatory in the afterlife.  all the gifted ballers will have no one to thank but themselves and taking credit for their talents.  no one  prays to him anymore, which means christian women will be praying to me, instead!

thank god, i'm alive!  :D ;D



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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2017, 09:00:48 AM »
If killing God makes us "murderers of all murderers," then that means we have killed a murderer; we have killed God. So, God is a murderer then?

Neitzche wrote:

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

Jordan Peterson and Ravi Zachariah are conservative Christian who understands the god is dead quote as understood by Neitzche.  Neitzche knew if God is dead, man would unleash tyranny on himself without restraint.  As we have come to know without the notion of God many men have found the works of Nicolle Makaveli insightful to political progress (purging).  Stalin with the millions of Russians murdered for political purging.  Mao with the millions of Chinese.  Pol Pot with the millions.  God is dead and so too are our moral grounding and the end justifies the means.  Today Chinese will say millions are worth a unified China.  How so easily those words roll off their tongues as benefactors of the suffering and lives lost.   They didn't seem to care Or empathize with the suffering or pay any respect to their sacrifices.  Tomorrow, is the cost of hundreds of millions human dignity acceptable for progressing AI and Automation?  If God is dead, and in accordance to the Prince by Makaveli, ABSOLUTELY!  Is a world where your child is a means to an end a world worth embracing?  Or should we embrace a world of compassion, love and empathy?  If God is dead, who will stop monsters?  Good men?  On what grounds?  What mode/mindset will secularism show again?



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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2017, 03:03:29 AM »
God is dead ----> an impossibility.



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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2017, 03:39:26 AM »
God is dead ----> an impossibility.

Good answer. 

If God is real then he can not be dead.  He created death and death can not consume him since he is on the outside of this thing called death. 

God then can be forgotten.  Just ask an ignorant atheist. 



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Re: God Is Dead -- What are the consequences?
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2017, 02:30:17 AM »
of course god is dead
how do you explain his absence?

God is not dead; He is tired of biching at us for being so evil to each other to the point, we reject His offer of peace.



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