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The Problem of Modern Organized Religion
« on: July 08, 2017, 01:37:07 PM »
Francis Chan spoke at Facebook on why he left the mega church he built and the gold nugget I got was this.  Chan said, I baptized this kid who was gang affiliated.  The kid said I thought being baptist was like being jumped in a gang, you are family 24/7, but I realized it's just a place you show up on Sunday.  And so the kid left the church.  Chan left looking seeking to build a more biblical church.

Wow!  That sh1t is deep and profound.  Cham raise larger topic on purpose, belonging, together, and love.  What is the purpose of church?  Create disciples to God.  How do we belong?  The body of Christ as a university (unified and diverse in gifts).  What do we do together?  Worship God.  How should we love?  Wholeheartedly .  Each of these are incredibly hard to do.  Perhaps this is why scripture speak to creating a new heart versus creating a new mind.   Too often the sermons are heard in the mind and rarely felt in the hearts of people.  Such form of inspiration are incredibly hard to do as I have observed, and it's even rarer to see someone do both ways at the same time.



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Re: The Problem of Modern Organized Religion
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2017, 01:46:12 PM »
The bible taught about this.  So can i be baptize n say lord lord save me n i will be saved?

Not quite.

Being baptize just gives u a membership in the church.  What u do with it is up to you.  Even the devil was once God's angel.  He too has membership n he too can be saved.  It just that the cookie crumbles that way so without the devil, the temptation of the dam, we wouldn't be in this situation.  So everything is a necessary for the fall of man to create redemption towards salvation. 




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Re: The Problem of Modern Organized Religion
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2017, 09:43:22 AM »
I honestly think baptism is too easy to do/perform just like marriage now a days.  That's way it "fails" some people.  It should be given to people who truly has had a life changing experience, or those who wanting a change in their lives.  Some people expect a great profound life changing experience from the baptism.  But it should be the other way around.  You should experience a great life changing, conviction, etc. before getting a baptism.  Baptism basically is an outward sign to yourself and others that your life now belonged to God.  You've repented of your past and today, going forward, your heart belongs to God.  You've changed.  And baptism symbolized that.

The problem with modern religion is that Christians are taught to believe in too much creeds, beliefs, etc. and are not practicing enough love, acceptance of others.  Take the Republican party for example.  They are the more conservative group of most political groups in the U.S. government.  Their stand on their beliefs translate to their social agendas for you and I.  But yet, their social agendas do not help us (the poor) at all.  They believe in God and the Bible more strongly but their actions are the opposite of how I interpret what God's love is.  The problem with Southern conservatives is that they have a racial problem in their past that they can't shack off.  Some KKK members are actually "Christians".  They are the Sadducees and Pharisees of our time.

The church should be a spiritual hospital for everyone.  Yet, most of the time preachers will give a condemnation message instead of a message of love.  I see too many Christians practicing condemning, judging others in their own church.  Not enough love, acceptance of others.  Some televangelist will perform "miracles" in the name of God but they are just self seeking.  They are after popularity and money.  It does not take a brain surgeon to see this happening.  Too many wolves in sheep's skin within the church. 

What is the average Christian to do then?  Read the Bible yourself and make your own determinations .  Ask lots of questions and seek your own answers from the Bible and others.  Lastly, learn to love God and love others.   




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Re: The Problem of Modern Organized Religion
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2017, 01:38:32 PM »
I honestly think baptism is too easy to do/perform just like marriage now a days.  That's way it "fails" some people.  It should be given to people who truly has had a life changing experience, or those who wanting a change in their lives.  Some people expect a great profound life changing experience from the baptism.  But it should be the other way around.  You should experience a great life changing, conviction, etc. before getting a baptism.  Baptism basically is an outward sign to yourself and others that your life now belonged to God.  You've repented of your past and today, going forward, your heart belongs to God.  You've changed.  And baptism symbolized that.

The problem with modern religion is that Christians are taught to believe in too much creeds, beliefs, etc. and are not practicing enough love, acceptance of others.  Take the Republican party for example.  They are the more conservative group of most political groups in the U.S. government.  Their stand on their beliefs translate to their social agendas for you and I.  But yet, their social agendas do not help us (the poor) at all.  They believe in God and the Bible more strongly but their actions are the opposite of how I interpret what God's love is.  The problem with Southern conservatives is that they have a racial problem in their past that they can't shack off.  Some KKK members are actually "Christians".  They are the Sadducees and Pharisees of our time.

The church should be a spiritual hospital for everyone.  Yet, most of the time preachers will give a condemnation message instead of a message of love.  I see too many Christians practicing condemning, judging others in their own church.  Not enough love, acceptance of others.  Some televangelist will perform "miracles" in the name of God but they are just self seeking.  They are after popularity and money.  It does not take a brain surgeon to see this happening.  Too many wolves in sheep's skin within the church. 

What is the average Christian to do then?  Read the Bible yourself and make your own determinations .  Ask lots of questions and seek your own answers from the Bible and others.  Lastly, learn to love God and love others.

All this and more I've experienced first hand in churches, yes. Maybe experiences will differ from one individual to the next.

The take on baptism is spot on, btw.



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Re: The Problem of Modern Organized Religion
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2017, 05:55:04 AM »
Why y'all still reading and using the Bible to justify y'all mistakes? I bet y'all ain't repenting but still sinning same old routines. ;D



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Re: The Problem of Modern Organized Religion
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2017, 09:40:59 AM »
the real problem with modern organized religion is money.  the faith in money is far more important than the deity (whatever god they believe in me ) and it's beliefs.



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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2017, 12:47:06 PM »
the real problem with modern organized religion is money.  the faith in money is far more important than the deity (whatever god they believe in me ) and it's beliefs.

That's a great point.  Money is a problem.  The church is filthy rich.  Can you be loving and rich?  Or is love and money wealth mutually exclusive? 



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Re: The Problem of Modern Organized Religion
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2017, 01:17:08 PM »
Why y'all still reading and using the Bible to justify y'all mistakes? I bet y'all ain't repenting but still sinning same old routines. ;D

The problem with people like you is that you make fun of religion but really what you have done is trivialized the human experience and human endeavor to improve.  If being a better person was as simple as writing on the Internet, people who desire to improve would be the greatest <FILL IN THE BLANK>.  So while you make fun of religion, you are also making fun of the utility and impact of religion to society.  I think I quoted Neitzche somewhere.  Study up on Neitzche. 



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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2017, 06:39:21 PM »
The problem with people like you is that you make fun of religion but really what you have done is trivialized the human experience and human endeavor to improve.  If being a better person was as simple as writing on the Internet, people who desire to improve would be the greatest <FILL IN THE BLANK>.  So while you make fun of religion, you are also making fun of the utility and impact of religion to society.  I think I quoted Neitzche somewhere.  Study up on Neitzche.

The problem wasn't me. The problem lies within y'all false religious fanatics and y'all claim you know the path of righteous.  ;D



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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2017, 01:58:17 PM »
the real problem with modern organized religion is money.  the faith in money is far more important than the deity (whatever god they believe in me ) and it's beliefs.
religion has always been about money. nothing has changed.



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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 10:13:42 PM »
joot,

It seems you have a liberal understanding of Conservatives as most Hmong people do because they tend to live in a bubble - namely the liberal bubble.

Jesus never promoted a socialistic approach to charity. Jesus called for each individual to be charitable. How can you consider yourself charitable just because you donated to an organization? That is not charity at all. Compassion and charity is what you do with the people in your sphere.

Imagine if everybody took care of their family and their friends. Nobody would be homeless or a beggar. The reason we have poor people is because their own families have abandoned them, sometimes for good reasons, too. If you see a homeless person, don't just give them a dollar and pat yourself on the back. In order to be truly compassionate you need to invite that homeless person into your family. How many of you liberals are willing to do that? Heck, many of you don't even want your own parents to live in your gated communities.

Furthermore, your definition of poor people is far from scripture. Show me where the bible said an able-bodied person is helpless and in need of charity? Did the 10 lepers make their situation worse by popping out kids left and right without a home? Did Mary Magdalene, have 5 kids from 5 different men to make her situation worse?

Poor people nowadays get that way because they are godless, thus, make godless decisions. They don't have good money management skills (something that Christ followers are called to have), and they lack self discipline when it comes to pleasures of the flesh.

I highly resent that you use Christianity to guilt others to clean up after your mess, which is the typical Liberal attitude.

Since Original Sin, God ordered that men were to toil under the sun.

As far as acceptance goes, I encourage all sinners to seek God. However, it is heretic to omit preaching sins for fear of hurting people's feelings.

The modern churches are losing members because they are no longer bible believing churches. The only people in attendance are those who are looking to justify their sinful ways and it's no wonder they are being exploited by the likes of someone like Joel Olsteen.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Christians are called to repent of their sins. Do you liberals even know what "repent" means? Or are you doing what you always do and applying your own definition again?



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Re: The Problem of Modern Organized Religion
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2017, 10:19:19 PM »
You cannot love your sin and love Jesus simultaneously .

Church is where you go to rid of your sin, not the place where you justify your sin.

If you think the congregation is too judgmental because they speak of the sins stated in scripture then that only means you do not have the humility to repent and accept Jesus.

I think the exact opposite of today's churches. There are too many of them that have become accommodating and no longer preach God's word and His will.



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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2017, 10:22:15 PM »
By the way, if you think church is just a place where you go to be in fellowship with a large group of people who raise your self-esteem then YOU ARE WRONG.

Christians are called to task. We have a real physical duty to perform for Jesus.

But you must ask the Holy Spirit to gift this revelation. Only true Christians understand. If I told you, you wouldn't understand.



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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2017, 10:23:30 PM »
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 9:10



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Re: The Problem of Modern Organized Religion
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2017, 12:56:55 AM »
^^ I don't debate with two groups of people, idiots and self declared genius...



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