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Re: Was Jesus really the descendant of Abraham?
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2018, 01:48:07 PM »
Key points in the refute.

Jesus was not a friend of the Romans so tell us again why should the Romans would include the name Jesus into their history books? 

There were no Christian during the time of jesus.  So tell us again if there were no Christian to see Jesus live at the time then how can they see him?

Paul, if he never met Jesus but yet, was able to write about him makes it even more special. 

Early Christian we're in hiding for fear of prosecution.  The same Paul u talking about were bounty hunters and killed these Christian so his story about the man he never met are even that amazing. 

My final thought.  All the same recycled stuff against a religion that still flourished is just that.  All recycled stuff and with Google, you can debunk it too. Ha



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Re: Was Jesus really the descendant of Abraham?
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2018, 10:55:41 PM »
Trace it through king David's 2 sons.  One bible author took it from one to Mary while the other author took it from the other son to joseph. 

King David did said born of a virgin and he shall be called Emmanuel

This confused the jews n now the atheist can't pass their grade because of this.

Bingo! Mary is Jesus biological mother. Luke records Heli's line which is the biological line of Mary. And Matthew records the legal line through Joseph. Both Jacob and Heli were brothers - that is the troubling part! They have the same mother but different fathers - that too is also a troubling part! But once you know it, it all make sense now.

Edit: I was wrong about one thing. Luke does not mention Mary genealogy.   :2funny: 

Both are actual genealogies of Joseph.


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Re: Was Jesus really the descendant of Abraham?
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2018, 02:07:00 PM »
Ok, Googles can be handy :D :D I've used it all the time....

 and now to the faith debate. 

I'm saying non believer has no faith because for them "seeing is believing."  Take for instance, the bible.  Non believers do not believe the bible is the word of God because no one saw God coming down from his throne to write the book.  Therefore everything in the Bible are philosophies of men.  You can quote the beginning thru the end and it means nothing other than "interesting" philosophies to non-believers. 

Another example, Shamanism.  Did anyone ever witness a Shaman bringing back a lost soul (see with their own eyes)?  Did anyone ever witness a lost soul getting lost somewhere - you see w/ your own eyes a soul being left behind etc...

So essentially, every believer, at some point in their life, made that leap of faith to accept the God, the God of the Bible and let me add, not just Christianity but all religion also require faith.
what makes you think that non believers were not once believers who found out the lies.

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Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons are among the highest-scoring groups on a new survey of religious knowledge, outperforming evangelical Protestants, mainline Protestants and Catholics on questions about the core teachings, history and leading figures of major world religions.

shamanism is no different from Christianity.

here are some things about the inaccuracies in the bible
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I have to say, the Bible is a poorly compiled piece of work. If you're religious, then I'm sure I have your attention from that alone.

A lot of people claim the Bible is perfect and without error. Most of these people have never actually read the Bible, other than cherry picking the few verses they think are nice.

The following has been extracted from a document called The Dossier of Reason, created by a former pastor. The link to his article can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f6ZewV_Ro5HLixACGE_wgJrnlFNVKVxTfuVALqARNEs/preview?hl=en_US&pli=1&sle=true



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Re: Was Jesus really the descendant of Abraham?
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2018, 02:43:32 PM »
what makes you think that non believers were not once believers who found out the lies.

shamanism is no different from Christianity.

here are some things about the inaccuracies in the bible

To refute is too easy  ;D

http://atheism-analyzed.blogspot.com/2012/05/critique-of-hensons-dossier-of-reason.html?m=1



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Re: Was Jesus really the descendant of Abraham?
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2018, 03:28:20 PM »
what makes you think that non believers were not once believers who found out the lies or the truth

shamanism is no different from Christianity. False - big different.  However, both  require "faith" to convert

here are some things about the inaccuracies in the bible



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Re: Was Jesus really the descendant of Abraham?
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2018, 01:44:39 PM »

wrong. both are religions that have no claims. why won't you refute the  inaccuracies in the bible if you think the bible is the word of god.  :2funny:



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Re: Was Jesus really the descendant of Abraham?
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2018, 01:51:52 PM »
wrong. both are religions that have no claims. why won't you refute the  inaccuracies in the bible if you think the bible is the word of god.  :2funny:
In the bible you come across many characters questioning God, asking God to refute this or that... so I'm not going to since God already refute them.  They just have to read the bible from beginning to end AND I don't have the power to do the "seeing is believing" proof that people want/looking for.

 For Christians, it's not their job to force their beliefs onto others but it is their job to share the message and people can decide for themselves.  God gives people this choice to accept or decline otherwise if he made the choice for us, we'll be nothing more than robots since the choice was not of our own choosing/free will.  Still, God will do what he sets out to do whether a person listens or not.




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Re: Was Jesus really the descendant of Abraham?
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2018, 02:12:44 PM »
In the bible you come across many characters questioning God, asking God to refute this or that... so I'm not going to since God already refute them.  They just have to read the bible from beginning to end AND I don't have the power to do the "seeing is believing" proof that people want/looking for.

For Christians, it's not their job to force their beliefs onto others but it is their job to share the message and people can decide for themselves.  God gives people this choice to accept or decline otherwise if he made the choice for us, we'll be nothing more than robots since the choice was not of our own choosing/free will.  Still, God will do what he sets out to do whether a person listens or not.
since the bible is written and made up by man it can be refuted. you failed to refute all the inaccuracies in it cause you know you can't.

then why do so many christains  force their beliefs on others and their own children? telling someone they are going to hell for not believing is wrong. it's child abuse and it's wrong. example.

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Whatever the truth or falsehood of the original report of the ban itself, there is something in that quotation that should leap out and hit you in the face. “Their” beliefs? The “beliefs” of four-year-old children? Did it not occur to this spokesperson that children who are too young to realize the importance of “their” beliefs might also be too young to possess those same beliefs in the first place? How can the “beliefs” of a four-year-old child be “important” to her if she doesn’t even know what her beliefs are?

i always give you examples but you always refuse to answer them. typical christian mentality though  :2funny: :idiot2:



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Re: Was Jesus really the descendant of Abraham?
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2018, 03:50:43 PM »
since the bible is written and made up by man it can be refuted. you failed to refute all the inaccuracies in it cause you know you can't.

then why do so many christains  force their beliefs on others and their own children? telling someone they are going to hell for not believing is wrong. it's child abuse and it's wrong. example.

i always give you examples but you always refuse to answer them. typical christian mentality though  :2funny: :idiot2:
Captian, come here.   Let me give you a "hug" instead.  Better?  Let me agree to disagree w/ you. 



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Re: Was Jesus really the descendant of Abraham?
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2018, 06:30:52 PM »
Why a guy like Captain Obvious refuse to answer my question too?  Hypocritical enough  :2funny:



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Re: Was Jesus really the descendant of Abraham?
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2018, 07:02:54 PM »
And how do you know he's not?  I think for nonbeliever, even if Jesus is standing in front of them right now, performs miracles, they still wouldn't believe him.  They'd think he's a con man.  How non-believer reacted to him now would be no different than how they did before when he was really here on earth.

Let Yesxus do miracles. And if even after all the extraordinary feats hes performed AND YET we still dont believe him then you can chide us like what you prematurely and preemptively did above.



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