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Offline Believe_N_Me

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There's poverty and then there is "perceived" poverty. Here is a pretty good analysis of it:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337311/

Background

One of the biggest challenges in subsidizing premiums of poor households for community health insurance is the identification and selection of these households. Generally, poverty assessments in developing countries are based on monetary terms. The household is regarded as poor if its income or consumption is lower than a predefined poverty cut-off. These measures fail to recognize the multi-dimensional character of poverty, ignoring community members’ perception and understanding of poverty, leaving them voiceless and powerless in the identification process. Realizing this, the steering committee of Nouna’s health insurance devised a method to involve community members to better define ‘perceived’ poverty, using this as a key element for the poor selection. The community-identified poor were then used to effectively target premium subsidies for the insurance scheme.

Methods

The study was conducted in the Nouna’s Health District located in northwest Burkina Faso. Participants in each village were selected to take part in focus-group discussions (FGD) organized in 41 villages and 7 sectors of Nouna’s town to discuss criteria and perceptions of poverty. The discussions were audio recorded, transcribed and analyzed in French using the software NVivo 9.

Results

From the FGD on poverty and the subjective definitions and perceptions of the community members, we found that poverty was mainly seen as scarcity of basic needs, vulnerability, deprivation of capacities, powerlessness, voicelessness, indecent living conditions, and absence of social capital and community networks for support in times of need. Criteria and poverty groups as described by community members can be used to identify poor who can then be targeted for subsidies.

Conclusion

Policies targeting the poorest require the establishment of effective selection strategies. These policies are well-conditioned by proper identification of the poor people. Community perceptions and criteria of poverty are grounded in reality, to better appreciate the issue. It is crucial to take these perceptions into account in undertaking community development actions which target the poor. For most community-based health insurance schemes with limited financial resources, using a community-based definition of poverty in the targeting of the poorest might be a less costly alternative.





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Re: Can We Ever Expect Libtards To Make This Distinction About the Poor?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2017, 02:40:14 AM »
The Hmong still have a large percent of families who fall into low-income, but speaking to them you don't get the impression that they perceive themselves to be impoverished. Poverty in the Hmong culture is a sign of incompetence, lazy, and feeblemindedne ss. Unless one was clearly established as having mental deficiencies, no able-bodied person with mental competency should be impoverished. The only time a person declares themselves "poor" is when they attempt to display humility and humbleness because they are asking for mercy or they are asking for a handout.

 



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Re: Can We Ever Expect Libtards To Make This Distinction About the Poor?
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2017, 05:07:55 PM »
Makes sense.  An Asian women thinks she will get along with Nazi.  It's all in the eyes of the beholder. 



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Re: Can We Ever Expect Libtards To Make This Distinction About the Poor?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2017, 11:34:58 AM »
The Hmong still have a large percent of families who fall into low-income, but speaking to them you don't get the impression that they perceive themselves to be impoverished. Poverty in the Hmong culture is a sign of incompetence, lazy, and feeblemindedne ss. Unless one was clearly established as having mental deficiencies, no able-bodied person with mental competency should be impoverished. The only time a person declares themselves "poor" is when they attempt to display humility and humbleness because they are asking for mercy or they are asking for a handout.
Your blanket claim right there says you don't know anything about why Hmong people live in poverty.



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Re: Can We Ever Expect Libtards To Make This Distinction About the Poor?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2018, 02:37:25 AM »
Makes sense.  An Asian women thinks she will get along with Nazi.  It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

You must be talking about a Japanese woman.

Or maybe a privileged Asian man who earns a nice income for a single household but still thinks he's marginalized, victimized, and above all ----> a descendant of black slaves.

GTFO you fake, Libtard.

You Libtards cry RACISM when FDR implemented JAPANESE INTERMENT CAMPS, but shouldn't you be applauding him for keeping out NAZI sympathizers?




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Re: Can We Ever Expect Libtards To Make This Distinction About the Poor?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2018, 02:44:56 AM »
Your blanket claim right there says you don't know anything about why Hmong people live in poverty.

I've never met a poor Hmong person who wasn't lazy or just flat out irresponsible. When I say poor I don't mean someone on welfare. Damn, I remember some of them Hmong California was hell rich while on welfare. They really knew how to take advantage of the system. They be having 13 kids, spending only $200 bucks on a pig that would last for a month, and pocketing the rest of the money. They wouldn't buy sofas or beds, instead just pick up the ones thrown on the side of the apartment trash bin.

If you were one of these 13 kids and never had nice clothes to wear, it wasn't because your family was poor and on welfare. It was because your mom and dad pocketed the money to save for your bride and their funeral.

That is truth, right there!

Poor Hmong people do not buy Hmong outfits with coin sashes that total over $200 for each of their children. Especially back then. Them damn xauv (hmong necklaces) cost between $150-300!

Peb Hmoob are not poor. We are just great at saving money so some parents never spent it on anything nice for their children.



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Re: Can We Ever Expect Libtards To Make This Distinction About the Poor?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2018, 02:45:48 AM »
Oh, and don't forget about them Toyotas. Hmong always have money for a car.



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Re: Can We Ever Expect Libtards To Make This Distinction About the Poor?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2018, 06:52:42 AM »
The Hmong still have a large percent of families who fall into low-income, but speaking to them you don't get the impression that they perceive themselves to be impoverished. Poverty in the Hmong culture is a sign of incompetence, lazy, and feeblemindedne ss. Unless one was clearly established as having mental deficiencies, no able-bodied person with mental competency should be impoverished. The only time a person declares themselves "poor" is when they attempt to display humility and humbleness because they are asking for mercy or they are asking for a handout.


So in conclusion, you finally learned what "poverty" means and realized that you have met hmong people who are poor and living in poverty before.




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Re: Can We Ever Expect Libtards To Make This Distinction About the Poor?
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2018, 09:13:57 PM »
From the study report you sited:
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In general, poverty was seen in this study area as scarcity of basic needs, vulnerability, deprivation of capacities, powerlessness, voicelessness, indecent living conditions, and absence of social capital and community networks for support in times of need.

Sounds a lot like Hmong elders, and certain Hmong people who lack the knowledge and language skill to get by.



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Re: Can We Ever Expect Libtards To Make This Distinction About the Poor?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2018, 08:34:13 AM »
Poverty goes hand in hand with education.  If you are not educated, how do you know what is out there? 

Education helps one to seek for what they can do or become that surpassed what they do or have now. 

A person on fixed income, has government subsidized housing will not know what rich is.  To him, that is rich but yet, his numbers put him in at the poverty line.  He is good where he is at.  As long as he has a roof over his head n food to eat, you will see him smiling n chilling in his man cave or garage n doing his own project or things in there.  To him, he is complete. 

Add ideas and education, that dream will fawk him up.  Now he wants an upgrade to the middle class level.  Like the bible said, the man now has knowledge and so with it, he has his wants n needs that is beyond what he is capable of.  The man has become like one of us.  He can be a god if he wants to.  The god of greed and money.



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Re: Can We Ever Expect Libtards To Make This Distinction About the Poor?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2018, 02:22:14 PM »
I don't understand the question?

I'm a firm believer in real evidence.  Not make believe or circumstantial evidence.  If the poverty line in your county is $15,000 for a 1 person family, then if you're below that, you're poor.  That is direct real evidence.  Now single individuals who make more than that but "perceive" themselves to be poor; well, it's not society's fault that you can't manage your finances and misappropriate funds.

The line in the sand when it comes to poverty is household income.  Don't obfuscate it with "perceived" poverty.

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The Hmong still have a large percent of families who fall into low-income, but speaking to them you don't get the impression that they perceive themselves to be impoverished. Poverty in the Hmong culture is a sign of incompetence, lazy, and feeble-mindedness.

When you say large, that's relative.  There are less than half a million Hmong people in the US.  Keep in mind that there are over 323 million people in the US.  We are but a speck.  Your comment about incompetence, laziness, . . . etc; although it may be true, not everyone is presented with the same opportunities.  Be glad that you haven't had to walk a mile in their shoes.  Instead of quipping about it, perhaps you can lead them to a better tomorrow.  Do not look at them with disdain, use it as an opportunity to build a road to a better future.  It may be your calling. 



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Re: Can We Ever Expect Libtards To Make This Distinction About the Poor?
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2018, 10:43:53 PM »
What I'm basically saying is that there are people whose low income places them at poverty level according to manufactured guidelines. Yet, they don't perceive themselves as poor. However, if you can change their perception then you can control them. The Democratic Party is very good at doing this. They are the masters of distorting perceptions and reality. This is why it's very important to them that they control public education and the media. These are important tools used to indoctrinate the mass.

 



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