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Good news to the Hmong people
« on: May 19, 2018, 01:56:11 PM »
Hmong kevcai tsi yog Hmong li. Hmong muab tom Suav los xwb. Qhov tseeb tiag Tswv Yexus yog txoj kev rua Hmong. Tswv Yexus yeej nyob thuam chiv keeb.

Hmong ces, Tswv Yexus ib leeg xwb thiaj yog tus hlub Hmong. Yexus tuag theeb Hmong lub txhoj.

This is what the Hmong people wanted when the missionary came to the Hmong people nyob rau Xieng Khuang xyoo 1950. This wasn't a force at all. You know how I know? The missionary show Hmong those art pictures and Hmong became Christians. Remember that these Hmong people are still Shamanistic. So they knew about the gospel and became Christians and they left behind their old ways.

And no, Tswv Yexus tsi yog tawv dawb. Tswv Yexus yog txhua leej txhua tus tus Cawmseeb.  Koj yuav yog meka los Nyablaj los yeej ntseeg tau li ib yam. Kev cawm dim los cuag
txhua tus.


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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2018, 07:02:46 PM »
I turn to God not just because of the images of Jesus from Google and the Mormons told me bible stories but rather my experience alone when I had to dealt with the devil and his minions .   :knuppel2: :2funny:



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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2018, 09:51:20 PM »
Only Meos fall for that nowadays.

The western world is letting go of the yesxus(es). Europe is banishing him/them/it to just a small enclave. Other western countries are doing so too, like canada. The only country with a committed slight majority is the usa, but every year its dwindling more and more. At times these dab yesxus’ are their own worst enemies, like mormons vs protestants vs other protestants vs catholics. Gives us Hmong plenty of ammunition to reveal them for what they are.


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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2018, 09:57:53 PM »
There is no definitive proof that Hmong took from chinese. For all we know the chinese could have taken from Hmong.

The Meo vwjtxheej rovtaw tuam ntuj deciever is desperate and pulling all his tricks out. Hmong stand tall, be proud, and triumph. It is our national duty (dejnum) to ensure we Hmong survive and live on.


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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2018, 11:56:37 AM »
Only Meos fall for that nowadays.

The western world is letting go of the yesxus(es). Europe is banishing him/them/it to just a small enclave. Other western countries are doing so too, like canada. The only country with a committed slight majority is the usa, but every year its dwindling more and more. At times these dab yesxus’ are their own worst enemies, like mormons vs protestants vs other protestants vs catholics. Gives us Hmong plenty of ammunition to reveal them for what they are.

Europe may be in declining, but China is growing quite fast. God is just filtering out the fakes and preparing His remnant because Bible says it will happen when the time is near. No surprised there. :2funny:

Anyone who claims they used to be a Christian was never a true Christian the first place. If they were true Christians, they would not have left the faith. Jesus would be the center of their lives. If people decide to abandon Christianity for various reasons, then Jesus was never the LORD of their lives.



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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2018, 12:17:05 AM »

Anyone who claims they used to be a Christian was never a true Christian the first place. If they were true Christians, they would not have left the faith. Jesus would be the center of their lives. If people decide to abandon Christianity for various reasons, then Jesus was never the LORD of their lives.

How do you know this?



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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2018, 08:21:46 AM »
Europe may be in declining, but China is growing quite fast. God is just filtering out the fakes and preparing His remnant because Bible says it will happen when the time is near. No surprised there. :2funny:

Anyone who claims they used to be a Christian was never a true Christian the first place. If they were true Christians, they would not have left the faith. Jesus would be the center of their lives. If people decide to abandon Christianity for various reasons, then Jesus was never the LORD of their lives.

Heh, christianities in china? Dont be too quick to revel in the thought. They arent going to be your allies. Those chinese are likely to put a twist to european protestantism (the “true christian doctrines” you adhere to and want all to follow). Chinese sinicize(sp?) nearly everything that comes to them, like how they perverted buddha, even adding new/other demi-gods/gods to the religion/teachings. Thats likely to be the case for christianities as well. And you are not going to be a happy camper since its not “true or pure” enough for your fundamentalsim ... unintended consequences.



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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2018, 08:48:05 AM »
The reason why some hmong back in the 1950’s fell for christianity is multi faceted.

1) the christians/catholics were cunning and disingenuous. They mostly only went to remote rural areas where the hmong had little to no education. Indeed, start with the weakest link. These hmong probably only knew as much about the world as far as they could walk, and that was to the farm field and around the village. That was their circle of knowledge. Obviously theres a huge gap of power dynamics here between the french/white priest/missionary and that of the hmong villager. The french priest was well travelled; came nearly half way around the world. And so like any person who is more educated, more knowledgable, more experienced, will be able to counter any objections coming from the lesser educated one... when the hmong ran out of ideas, and that was quick, they thought and rationalized, wow, jehova must be real since these farang fabkis know so much. Jehova/yesxus = vammeej! Yah and they even have books, of which hmong so covet (because according to stories/lores, the chinese burnt the hmong writing system and hmong have been desiring such a thing for generations).


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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2018, 09:05:34 AM »
2) hmong back then (and even today for some) had no education about the history of chrsitianities and where they evolved from or how many conflicting sects/denominations there are in modern times. Had some hmong been armed with the knowledge of judaism, they may very well not fall for christianities as they would know the fictional character jesus did not fulfill the prophecies hence thats why he was prosecuted... and so without sufficient knowledge, some hmong joined up, not realizing that the christians were pissing on their backs and calling it rain. And in time they had kids and passed on these fictional anti-hmong beliefs onto their kids. Now these kids will defend christianities with tooth and nail, as evidenced by the op and others in ph.



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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2018, 10:33:39 AM »
Those people did not became a Christian because they thought they were educated. Uneducated folks can appreciate its basic teaching.

This is Christianity in its purist when they are in their lowest, not when it claim to be so highly intelligent like somebody. No wonder you missed the boat.  :2funny:



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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2018, 12:58:42 AM »
Yah, sure, education is not needed in finding the “correct path.” The hmong in the 1950’s had basic understanding indeed... Fear and believe in jehova; Get into heaven. Thats as basic as it gets... Yah, thats why they went to catholicism; A sect that you dont truly believe is pure or true. And today when some turn to mormonism, you critique their beliefs. Yah, leave them to their own devices and they surely will know and follow the true path (of a particular protestantism sect that you adhere to)... *sarcasm*



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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2018, 08:51:14 AM »
Yah, sure, education is not needed in finding the “correct path.” The hmong in the 1950’s had basic understanding indeed... Fear and believe in jehova; Get into heaven. Thats as basic as it gets... Yah, thats why they went to catholicism; A sect that you dont truly believe is pure or true. And today when some turn to mormonism, you critique their beliefs. Yah, leave them to their own devices and they surely will know and follow the true path (of a particular protestantism sect that you adhere to)... *sarcasm*

You don't know that.  That's a strawman fallacy.

I could easily parrot this argument and say,

"You don't want to be in Jehovah, because your scared of the light".

Actually, we believe because we are given the gift of faith in God and the regeneration of the Holy Spirit. We are born again of the Spirit that we may believe. Therefore, we are motivated by God's Love for us in the atoning work of Christ. We have no fear of death. Rather, we believe one day we will be resurrected.

In fact, as a disbeliever, you are more fear of death!! A disbeliever should also recognize that each day his lives is ultimately meaningless and merely delays his inevitable fate.


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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2018, 12:24:33 PM »
My sarcasm probably didnt come across well in the previous post.

You say that the hmong in the 1950s or so who were contacted by french missionaries didnt need education to make an informed decision. At whatever level of knowledge they had then, it was sufficient to understand the basics,,, the basics in recognizing and knowing jehova.

You also dont believe catholicism to be fully or true enough christians. You think only a certain sect of the protestant faith is the correct way.

What happened in the 1950s was the hmong ended up believing catholicism, a NOT true or not true enough sect (which would be your stance if you're honest).

So without some other and/or more education the hmong in the 1950s ended up NOT believing in the “true” jehova. They instead believed in a false god/jehova... So apparently the uneducated hmong didnt appreciate the true teachings of jesus/jehova after all... and if they did “appreciate” then they appreciated the wrong teachings.


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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2018, 12:44:04 PM »
You don't know that.  That's a strawman fallacy.

I could easily parrot this argument and say,

"You don't want to be in Jehovah, because your scared of the light".

Actually, we believe because we are given the gift of faith in God and the regeneration of the Holy Spirit. We are born again of the Spirit that we may believe. Therefore, we are motivated by God's Love for us in the atoning work of Christ. We have no fear of death. Rather, we believe one day we will be resurrected.

In fact, as a disbeliever, you are more fear of death!! A disbeliever should also recognize that each day his lives is ultimately meaningless and merely delays his inevitable fate.

What? I fear death more than a believer like you?

I mean i do fear death. Almost all people do. But im not the one constantly trying to reassure himself that hes taken all the precautions necessary so as not to go to hell rather than boring “heaven.” ... in hmong, we dont have hell. And no one is stuck in limbo for eternity... but for you, one slip up, and youre damned forever in hell.

You have no fear of death?,,, ok, i believe you. Alright, dont go to see doctors when youre sick. Dont get vaccinations. Dont take medicines. Do like some christians do and just pray... that way you will get to go see jehova sooner rather than later.



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Re: Good news to the Hmong people
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2018, 02:15:32 PM »
My sarcasm probably didnt come across well in the previous post.

You say that the hmong in the 1950s or so who were contacted by french missionaries didnt need education to make an informed decision. At whatever level of knowledge they had then, it was sufficient to understand the basics,,, the basics in recognizing and knowing jehova.

You also dont believe catholicism to be fully or true enough christians. You think only a certain sect of the protestant faith is the correct way.

What happened in the 1950s was the hmong ended up believing catholicism, a NOT true or not true enough sect (which would be your stance if you're honest).

So without some other and/or more education the hmong in the 1950s ended up NOT believing in the “true” jehova. They instead believed in a false god/jehova... So apparently the uneducated hmong didnt appreciate the true teachings of jesus/jehova after all... and if they did “appreciate” then they appreciated the wrong teachings.

The Hmong people understood the gospel. They didn't need deep theology. Cov nyob Los Tsuas or Nplog Teb yog cov ntseeg ua ntej and they were Protestants. They were not Catholics at all.



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