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Is playing morality immoral?
« on: October 12, 2018, 03:15:58 PM »
Playing morality is immoral because you bend morality to your will rather than letting morality bends on you. The 3 biggest dictators out of all in man's history is conscience, freewill, and emotions. They bend you rather you bend them. Those who bend morality to their will are moral relativist people because they play morality like how I see it in communism that persecutes Hmong people in the Vietnam War. From a single lie and brainwash through the re-education camps, moral relativism brings nothing but death, lies, persecution, and genocide since it's nothing but the rules of 'I like ice cream; you like cake.'

Moral relativism can be found in the Book of Judges, Heart of Darkness, Book of Kings 1 and 2, Letters of Birmingham, Animal Farm, Nuremberg Court Case, and many more of moral stories that tells about the nature of a moral relativist. Playing morality to your will is immoral. You cannot bend morality to your will for it bends YOU rather than YOU bend morality in your grasp. Laws vs. Morality has been clashing since the dawn of revolutionary; yet, man has not learn their ways to quit on being a moral relativist because of life isn't fair to their will. Oh well, suck it up!

Moral relativist are liars-- (Al Capone's voice) LIAR LIAR, PANTS OF FIRE. ALL MORAL RELATIVIST ARE BURNING IN A FRYER. MAY THE CHOIR SINGS TO YOUR EVERLASTING DIRE, WE THE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY KNOW WHAT IS YOUR EVIL DESIRE!

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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2018, 12:26:10 AM »
Moral relativity is dangerous because it always falls into the wrong hands. Why? Because no hand, except God's, is good enough to dictate morality.




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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2018, 10:04:18 PM »
Playing morality is immoral because you bend morality to your will rather than letting morality bends on you. The 3 biggest dictators out of all in man's history is conscience, freewill, and emotions. They bend you rather you bend them. Those who bend morality to their will are moral relativist people because they play morality like how I see it in communism that persecutes Hmong people in the Vietnam War. From a single lie and brainwash through the re-education camps, moral relativism brings nothing but death, lies, persecution, and genocide since it's nothing but the rules of 'I like ice cream; you like cake.'

Moral relativism can be found in the Book of Judges, Heart of Darkness, Book of Kings 1 and 2, Letters of Birmingham, Animal Farm, Nuremberg Court Case, and many more of moral stories that tells about the nature of a moral relativist. Playing morality to your will is immoral. You cannot bend morality to your will for it bends YOU rather than YOU bend morality in your grasp. Laws vs. Morality has been clashing since the dawn of revolutionary; yet, man has not learn their ways to quit on being a moral relativist because of life isn't fair to their will. Oh well, suck it up!

Moral relativist are liars-- (Al Capone's voice) LIAR LIAR, PANTS OF FIRE. ALL MORAL RELATIVIST ARE BURNING IN A FRYER. MAY THE CHOIR SINGS TO YOUR EVERLASTING DIRE, WE THE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY KNOW WHAT IS YOUR EVIL DESIRE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKclNMN_oRc

What you are describing is subjective morality. 

But you should be grateful of moral relevists because they are more tolerant of your moral beliefs.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2018, 08:20:38 PM »
In Shanon Information Theory, there is a concept called Signal to Noise Ratio.  The SnR is the ratio of noise between the communicator and the listener as a message is passed through a medium.  Truth becomes blurred because the SnR from God to people to books to translation to people has a potentially high SnR.  Only when guided by the Holy Spirit can the person understand the truth and the way.

I've stopped arguing truth because it's impossible to teach someone...God has to do his job.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2018, 07:37:55 PM »
What you are describing is subjective morality. 

But you should be grateful of moral relevists because they are more tolerant of your moral beliefs.

Um...no they're not.

I wouldn't call jailing someone or burning down their house because they're Christian tolerant.

What world do you live in?

Oh yeah, a Judeo-Christian one where even ignorant atheists like you can speak foolishly without being killed.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2018, 01:18:06 PM »
Um...no they're not.

I wouldn't call jailing someone or burning down their house because they're Christian tolerant.

What world do you live in?
a non judeo-christian one where even an ignorant Christian woman like you can speak foolishly without being killed.
Oh yeah, a Judeo-Christian one where even ignorant atheists like you can speak foolishly without being killed.


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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2018, 03:46:38 PM »
What you are describing is subjective morality. 

But you should be grateful of moral relevists because they are more tolerant of your moral beliefs.

Congratulation s, you just accept another Animal Farm. Sam Harris will destroy you if you are a moral relativist. All moral relativist are flavor pickers. I like ice scream; you like cake; I like murder; you like rape. That's the flaw of moral relativism.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2018, 05:14:36 PM »
Congratulations, you just accept another Animal Farm. Sam Harris will destroy you if you are a moral relativist. All moral relativist are flavor pickers. I like ice scream; you like cake; I like murder; you like rape. That's the flaw of moral relativism.




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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2018, 08:58:59 AM »
Congratulations, you just accept another Animal Farm. Sam Harris will destroy you if you are a moral relativist. All moral relativist are flavor pickers. I like ice scream; you like cake; I like murder; you like rape. That's the flaw of moral relativism.

Animal farm has nothing to do with moral relativism. It's about politics and government, a totalitarian government to be more precise. It's ironic how you detest the pigs in the on how they ran the farm. This is coming from the guy who, if he had his way, would govern people in a totalitarian dictatorship government, Just like the pigs. This reminds me of the last chapter of the book. More specifically,  the dinner scene at the end.

"I don't mind if I am dictator by forcing people to do good only and never know evil."
Forcing people to remain ignorant is in itself immoral. And that's the same thing the pigs did to the other animals in the book.

This is why I disagreed with yengimer in the other thread. Fear and ignorance shouldn't be use in order to keep someone from not committing murder. By not knowing and understanding why murder is immoral, you will end up like yengimer, and commit murder when there is no fear of the consequences. As I said before, if someone thinks that murder is wrong because god commanded it, but then goes around murdering people once they found out that god is dead, means that that person wasn't moral to begin with. A moral person (theist) will still think that murder is wrong even after learning that god is dead.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2018, 03:33:46 PM »
Animal farm has nothing to do with moral relativism. It's about politics and government, a totalitarian government to be more precise. It's ironic how you detest the pigs in the on how they ran the farm. This is coming from the guy who, if he had his way, would govern people in a totalitarian dictatorship government, Just like the pigs. This reminds me of the last chapter of the book. More specifically,  the dinner scene at the end.

"I don't mind if I am dictator by forcing people to do good only and never know evil."
Forcing people to remain ignorant is in itself immoral. And that's the same thing the pigs did to the other animals in the book.

This is why I disagreed with yengimer in the other thread. Fear and ignorance shouldn't be use in order to keep someone from not committing murder. By not knowing and understanding why murder is immoral, you will end up like yengimer, and commit murder when there is no fear of the consequences. As I said before, if someone thinks that murder is wrong because god commanded it, but then goes around murdering people once they found out that god is dead, means that that person wasn't moral to begin with. A moral person (theist) will still think that murder is wrong even after learning that god is dead.

How is this immoral? You just allow rape, murder, and evil rights to do the heck they want. What if a group of evil people starts to riot in the city because they want rights for rape, murder, steal, and all of the horrendous things that they practice must be force into play? I will gun these immoral **** down like how a cannibal holocaust got gun down for having cannibalism in their culture. Do you see any Baal worshippers? NO! Because God killed them and stopped them. In the Book of Kings, that's what it shows where God kills the unchangeable people who's will is to bend God rather than God bends on them. You think I'm one of those pigs? No, I will kill those pigs and force all of those animals not to be like those pigs, even IF there will be bloodshed to change man into a moral being, I rather force morality upon evildoers. Silencing evil for good is the BEST way to contain them and make the world not knowing of what evil is. Imagine a world full of good people, not knowing what murder is, not knowing what rape is, and not knowing a single drop of evil. Yet, you call this immoral.

People ask for peace, well, force peace upon everyone, even if it violates their freewill to dislike peace. How is force peace immoral? How is eliminating evil is immoral? Why is wrong to force good for all people? Please, tell me why and I am all ears.

Moral relativism must disappear or else, another Book of Judges will appear.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2018, 03:40:43 PM »
This is why I disagreed with yengimer in the other thread. Fear and ignorance shouldn't be use in order to keep someone from not committing murder. By not knowing and understanding why murder is immoral, you will end up like yengimer, and commit murder when there is no fear of the consequences. As I said before, if someone thinks that murder is wrong because god commanded it, but then goes around murdering people once they found out that god is dead, means that that person wasn't moral to begin with. A moral person (theist) will still think that murder is wrong even after learning that god is dead.

If God is dead, then why follow orders? Even Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris will agree to this that if there isn't a judge or a king to bring order, you will have another animal farm like those dark ages in England (Feudalism/Clan War).


So, if God is really dead, then how come people are following morality since it's a lie? In fact, what is lie, murder, and rape in the subjective world? People with conscience will destroy these cultural people because cultural people don't want to think; also, I know quite some who are like that and I see it in Hmong people who sticks to Shamanism and never come to question in mind to test their religion in a debate. In the end, they cower away and will always be one. It's either they become an atheist or become a theist. It's up to them and I don't give a damn...selfish ly like those professors at any university.


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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2018, 04:27:12 PM »
He/she whoever bends morality to their will and not morality bends on them, they must be stop. If they break through the stop, then they must be destroy.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2018, 07:51:09 PM »
How is this immoral? You just allow rape, murder, and evil rights to do the heck they want. What if a group of evil people starts to riot in the city because they want rights for rape, murder, steal, and all of the horrendous things that they practice must be force into play? I will gun these immoral **** down like how a cannibal holocaust got gun down for having cannibalism in their culture. Do you see any Baal worshippers? NO! Because God killed them and stopped them.  In the Book of Kings, that's what it shows where God kills the unchangeable people who's will is to bend God rather than God bends on them. You think I'm one of those pigs? No, I will kill those pigsNo, you are not one of those pigs. That's why you see the pigs. Killing what you see is easy. But you cannot kill what you cannot see. and force all of those animals not to be like those pigs, even IF there will be bloodshed to change man into a moral being, I rather force morality upon evildoers. That's the theme of animal farm.

Silencing evil for good is the BEST way to contain them and make the world not knowing of what evil is. That's probably the worst way to deal with evil. I'll explain later.Imagine a world full of good people, not knowing what murder is, not knowing what rape is, and not knowing a single drop of evil. Yet, you call this immoral. And some Christians wonder why the garden of Eden failed. No, I never called that immoral. The person that made the world that way, which is you in this case, is immoral.  Congratulation s, you just created an amoral world. A world where murder, rape, etc.. occurs every day and nobody doing anything to stop it. A world, THE BEST WORLD, for evil to thrive. A world where evil is every where with no restraints what so ever. 

People ask for peace, well, force peace upon everyone, even if it violates their freewill to dislike peace. How is force peace immoral? so that's not really peace is it? How is eliminating evil is immoral?You're not eliminating evil. You are aiding evil, giving it a new power, sort of speak. And at the same time, crippling man by blinding them.   Why is wrong to force good for all people? Please, tell me why and I am all ears. because that makes people ignorant of evil. Makes them gullible. You read the bible, and only saw the things that you were taught, and couldn't see the things that were never taught to you. There are many things in the bible that you can only see if you read it as a nonreligious book. You can see the  mistakes that were repeated throughout the book. Those were not seen or taught to people by preachers most likely due to it not being religious in nature or being relevant to the religion. Something that is repeated throughout the entire book is , ignorance.  You can see ignorance in the characters, whether by the same one or not, throughout the book. It may be hard to spot because it's has nothing to do with the story of the book in a religious matter.

Moral relativism must disappear or else, another Book of Judges will appear.


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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2018, 11:08:42 PM »
If God is dead, then why follow orders? You can choose to accept or not accept orders given to you. Once you've accepted those orders, you can chooose to obey or disobey orders given to you. The orders that I've accept, I choose to obey them and follow them as best as I can. I accept and follow the orders of my commander because I believe him to be a capable commander, not out of fear    Even Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris will agree to this that if there isn't a judge or a king to bring order, you will have another animal farm like those dark ages in England (Feudalism/Clan War). This is irrelevant to morality. And just dodging what is being discussed at hand. Either way,  you misunderstood what they meant. Judge or a king doesn't mean one person/being.


So, if God is really dead, then how come people are following morality since it's a lie?People are following morality because it's not a lie, it's the truth. In fact, what is lie, murder, and rape in the subjective world? People with conscience will destroy these cultural people because cultural people don't want to think; also, I know quite some who are like that and I see it in Hmong people who sticks to Shamanism and never come to question in mind to test their religion in a debate. In the end, they cower away and will always be one. It's either they become an atheist or become a theist. It's up to them and I don't give a damn...selfish ly like those professors at any university.

So you're a nihilist. This is why you are amoral. You don't know and don't care. Morally right or wrong.  And like I mentioned earlier, it is morally subjective based soley on your fear of god. That's why when you no longer have that fear, when god is dead, your morality change.



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