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Is playing morality immoral?

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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2018, 04:30:36 PM »
Quote: "And a lot of men do bad things because they don't realize that what they are doing is wrong. Dead men can't learn from their mistakes"

UH...some men do and they don't give a fudge! I am talking about those people. The ones that don't will never do this because they have a conscience. The ones who throws conscience into the trash, find morality as insulting and racial discrimination TO their kinds of attitude, will purge whoever has conscience. Just look at Lucifer. He knows what he did is wrong; however, does he care? NO! This proves you wrong here. Because I am talking about the ones like these who throws conscience into the trash, steps on it, and calls it, "A total, righteous, virtuous ****." Some men likes being bad because you haven't seen one yet. I have. They don't care if they are wrong. Just look at the Japanese people who haven't apologize to China yet. At least America know what they did is wrong by mushroom bombing two cities in Japan.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2018, 04:34:16 PM »
Quote: "The less you know, the more you will be crazy, lacking the knowledge to understand why you are being crazy."

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False! I don't see dumb people who goes crazy. Do you see one? Because I haven't. In my life, I have never seen a crazy dumb guy with no education, a high school drop out pulling on some smarty-artsy-fartsy moves about Darwinian theory, ethical philosophy, and literature on some debate. Most dumb people who knows they are drop outs will never talk because they aren't a big shot.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2018, 04:40:19 PM »
BTW, using a two headed coin means that you do not care about what is right or wrong as long as it suits you at the moment. In the Dark knight,  the black prisoner on the boat who threw the detonator out the window was more moral than Gotham's white knight. One has a clear understanding of what morality is, while the other on misunderstood it and used it as an excuse to do what he wants.

Yet, you are blind to see the wrongs in morality of what it can turn a man into. Morality can make you become an executioner or a saint. About 90% of the time, people will become an executioner rather than a saint. Do tell me, are we ready for such knowledge as morality? Mankind is never ready to be expose in some rate-R scripture to where they cannot process that in their brains. I truly believe that the nightmares of mankind and having Jesus to die for us is to tell humanity that we don't deserve His grace. I for one, am not worthy.

You have your solution; however, the process is too slow to the point, you are already dead at your old age before you even see your dream to come true. Mine, however, is a lot faster like a boom shot in Gears of War 2. All you need is to gather the criminals in the jail cell, find the level 10 highest criminal to be lined up in a circle, then you get your boom shot and blast them into smithereens. Job DONE! No more criminal will do harm to any others until they revolt for the rights of evil. I would like to see a riot of evil people, killing good people for not letting them rape people as they do as they please.

We have gone from race to the hearts of man.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2018, 04:44:34 PM »
Quote: " And by forcing him to get A's, he will go back to
Getting F's again once the is no more authority figure, not understanding why one should strive to get A's instead of F's"

Then he dies from starvation. Some people will choose to starve and spit at food because food is an insult to their stomach. They rather choose to eat turd than a good steak with potatoes with rice and beans. Yet, they expect the turd to taste like steak--impossible! It's what Einsteins says about insanity:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/374291419003002088/


Homer Simpson does this when he's on the telephone pole, expecting a new result, over and over again; yet, it still the same.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2018, 04:44:53 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-W8Ox3YsAE

This is what I see the ones who are like this



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2018, 10:25:19 PM »
Quote: "And a lot of men do bad things because they don't realize that what they are doing is wrong. Dead men can't learn from their mistakes"

UH...some men do and they don't give a fudge! I am talking about those people. The ones that don't will never do this because they have a conscience. Having a conscience means that you have some sort of moral code that you follow. They have a guilty conscience whenever they do/Did something that goes against their moral code. Some people might believe that murder is wrong but rape isn't. They still care about being right or wrong. So what happens then? The ones who throws conscience into the trash, find morality as insulting and racial discrimination TO their kinds of attitude, will purge whoever has conscience. Just look at Lucifer. He knows what he did is wrong; however, does he care? NO! This proves you wrong here. Because I am talking about the ones like these who throws conscience into the trash, steps on it, and calls it, "A total, righteous, virtuous ****." Some men likes being bad because you haven't seen one yet. I have. They don't care if they are wrong. Just look at the Japanese people who haven't apologize to China yet. Not apologizing does not mean that they care if they are wrong. There Can be other possible reasons for them not apologizing. Making claim without giving evidence doesn't validate your argument. At least America know what they did is wrong by mushroom bombing two cities in Japan.

You never answered my question from the other post. What is define as a "monster"? And how do you differentiate a monster from a human?



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2018, 10:42:30 PM »
Quote: "The less you know, the more you will be crazy, lacking the knowledge to understand why you are being crazy."

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False! I don't see dumb people who goes crazy. Do you see one? Because I haven't. In my life, I have never seen a crazy dumb guy with no education, a high school drop out pulling on some smarty-artsy-fartsy moves about Darwinian theory, ethical philosophy, and literature on some debate. Most dumb people who knows they are drop outs will never talk because they aren't a big shot.

This is a fallacy.  To be specific,  it's the argument from ignorance.

And the less you know about a particular subject, makes you go crazy because you don't have the answers to your questions. Some people will even use irrational ideas as an answer to their questions.

BTW, I've met uneducated high school dropouts who are more moral than some educated ones.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2018, 12:06:20 AM »
Yet, you are blind to see the wrongs in morality of what it can turn a man into. Morality can make you become an executioner or a saint. If that's what you consider it to be, then you are talking about something else, and not morality. You choose your code morality. Your actions are based on those moral codes that you choose to follow, blaming your wrongdoing on morality is just shifting the blame because you won't take responsibility for your actions.  About 90% of the time, people will become an executioner rather than a saint. Do tell me, are we ready for such knowledge as morality? Of course we are, that's the only way for someone to be a moral person. Only an amoral person would choose to reject having knowledge of morality.  Mankind is never ready to be expose in some rate-R scripture to where they cannot process that in their brains.While I do agree that some people are not ready and cannot process it, but overall,  mankind itself is ready for it. Mankind have been ready for it for a long time now, ever since when we were able to determine what is good and what is evil, right from wrong. I truly believe that the nightmares of mankind and having Jesus to die for us is to tell humanity that we don't deserve His grace. I for one, am not worthy. While I don't believe in the bible, logic would suggest that if someone decided to start preaching and spreading his ideas to people, that means that that person believe that people are ready to learn what is being taught. If you truly feel that you are not worthy and not ready, then your whole argument falls apart. The more you wish you didn't know, the more you become ignorant, thus, the more you lack the knowledge to understand it.  Someone ignorant in morality shouldn't be the one to teach/lead humanity in morality. They are not qualify to do so.

You have your solution; however, the process is too slow to the point, you are already dead at your old age before you even see your dream to come true. Mine, however, is a lot faster like a boom shot in Gears of War 2. All you need is to gather the criminals in the jail cell, find the level 10 highest criminal to be lined up in a circle, then you get your boom shot and blast them into smithereens. Job DONE! No more criminal will do harm to any others until they revolt for the rights of evil. I would like to see a riot of evil people, killing good people for not letting them rape people as they do as they please.
This is morality we're talking about here, not a race to see who reach the finish line first. Therefore, using your immoral way defeats the purpose of attempting to make mankind moral. Just because someone thinks that his actions were moral, doesn't necessarily mean that it is. A person will commit immoral acts believing it to be moral if that was what they were being taught   

We have gone from race to the hearts of man.

And your way does not solve the problem. Reacting to symptoms of a problem is not solving the problem, it's simply just dealing with the symptoms at hand. Solving the problem is to not have the symptoms showing up,  like my way.

Sure, a doctor can just give a patient some pain relievers for his headache and send him On his way. Yes, the pain will go away right there and then return later. Or a doctor can actually try and figure out what is causing the headaches. Once diagnosed, the doctor can now find a way to get rid of the headaches permanently by removing the brain tumor.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2018, 12:41:22 AM »
Quote: " And by forcing him to get A's, he will go back to
Getting F's again once the is no more authority figure, not understanding why one should strive to get A's instead of F's"

Then he dies from starvation. Some people will choose to starve and spit at food because food is an insult to their stomach. They rather choose to eat turd than a good steak with potatoes with rice and beans. Yet, they expect the turd to taste like steak--impossible! It's what Einsteins says about insanity:Exactly, that's why those who do immoral acts after learning that god doesn't exist won't last. By not understanding morality and only refuse to do immoral acts out of fear of god, immoral people and at most amoral. These are the ones that Nietzsche were referring to tbat turns to irrationality and chaos. Confused and not knowing what to do. But like Nietzsche said, they won't last long. And once they are gone, humanity will continue to rebuild and evolve. That's one reason as to why they cannot see and/or imagine pass the chaos stage.

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Homer Simpson does this when he's on the telephone pole, expecting a new result, over and over again; yet, it still the same.Ironic how it is exactly like the solution you proposed. Killing the immoral people thinking that it's over, only to end up having to do it over again and agai.


This reminds me of a zombie apocalypse. You go by protecting people from zombies by locking them behind a walled city, killing any zombie  that is spotted inside. Every now and then some zombie pop up, sometimes killing a few survivors but pretty much is eliminated once spotted. This cycle goes on, not knowing how they got inside even after checking all fortifications .

I, on the other hand keep survivors inside a fortified city as well, difference is that I teach them about defending themselves and keeping an eye out for zombies. While doing that,  I also look for the cure for the zombie virus. It may take some time to find a cure, but at least on the way I was able to to find out how it's being transmitted and finding ways to prevent the spread of the virus. Also everyone in the city would also have this knowledge. My citizens knows the reasons as to why it's dangerous outside the city walls, but also know what to do in case they end up being outside.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2018, 04:23:19 PM »
This is a fallacy.  To be specific,  it's the argument from ignorance.

And the less you know about a particular subject, makes you go crazy because you don't have the answers to your questions. Some people will even use irrational ideas as an answer to their questions.

BTW, I've met uneducated high school dropouts who are more moral than some educated ones.

How is this a fallacy? Have you met one who doesn't just give a damn they do? Because I have seen inconsiderate people who does this in their nature because they can. From the smallest to the biggest; yet, you think this is a fallacy. I bet you haven't met the worst. Because I have.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2018, 04:40:29 PM »
Quote: "While I don't believe in the bible, logic would suggest that if someone decided to start preaching and spreading his ideas to people, that means that that person believe that people are ready to learn what is being taught. If you truly feel that you are not worthy and not ready, then your whole argument falls apart. The more you wish you didn't know, the more you become ignorant, thus, the more you lack the knowledge to understand it.  Someone ignorant in morality shouldn't be the one to teach/lead humanity in morality. They are not qualify to do so"


Then do tell me. Why is that people are getting smarter and more evil each day? It's no wonder why the Tower of Babel is never made to be the wisdom of man.

Quote: "Of course we are, that's the only way for someone to be a moral person. Only an amoral person would choose to reject having knowledge of morality. "

To be amoral is when one knows moral. An amoral cannot sudden appear by a person for that is not possible. There's a cause and effect. My effect is that after knowing, "The Knowing," from Frederich Nietzsche, man's not even ready to achieve such greatness.

Let me put you an example of a parable. There's a rich man who has a lot of money and the mountain is his money and success. However, for his cruelty, nobody in the world pays attention to that mountain for what the rich man has accomplished. Living in a mountain alone with no one to share leads to those celebrities to commit suicide like how a man with many wives and many problems lead to his death. Robin William is a good example and he slept with girls to the point, he committed suicide from depression. It's sin that makes a man depress. Have you not watch the Bohemian Rhapsody? That's the kind of a man who sits in mountain of success with no one to share or to love; yet, he/she likes that way because they choose to be cruel.

Do you not see that man isn't ready for such greatness because it can turn a man's pride into a monster pride.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2018, 04:44:12 PM »
Quote: "Having a conscience means that you have some sort of moral code that you follow. They have a guilty conscience whenever they do/Did something that goes against their moral code. Some people might believe that murder is wrong but rape isn't. They still care about being right or wrong. So what happens then?"

So you agree to the Hmong people who kidnaps other Hmong ladies and force marriage them in Vietnam? You talk about culture. Okay. Let me give you a picture if you accept Hmong culture thoroughly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWQn5AWeRLg

I want to see if you react if this is wrong. To others, it's not because they don't care. As a moral objectivism, I will be like those animals who kills the pigs in Animal Farm. Justice is unfair to the unjust because unjust discriminates morality like a brat who throws a fit.



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2018, 04:46:45 PM »
Quote: "While I do agree that some people are not ready and cannot process it, but overall,  mankind itself is ready for it. Mankind have been ready for it for a long time now, ever since when we were able to determine what is good and what is evil, right from wrong"

And what is the percentage of that? You do agree that there more bad people than good people. So tell, what's the percentage of that?



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Re: Is playing morality immoral?
« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2018, 04:50:47 PM »
Quote: "While I don't believe in the bible, logic would suggest that if someone decided to start preaching and spreading his ideas to people, that means that that person believe that people are ready to learn what is being taught. If you truly feel that you are not worthy and not ready, then your whole argument falls apart."

Have you read the entire Old Testament? You should read it. It's nothing more than one of those moral books like Animal Farm, Heart of Darkness, Lord of the Flies, etc. It's the darkest of man and I believe you should read it. Then you will know what I am talking about.



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« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2018, 04:55:17 PM »
Quote: "The more you wish you didn't know, the more you become ignorant, thus, the more you lack the knowledge to understand it."

You haven't seen a movie where Dr. Frankenstein wish he didn't create that monster. I become like him where I thought morality will make you a better man not until I realize the truth after knowing by putting the puzzle, all I see is the horrors of man that repeats over and over again. The roots of the cause comes from morality. You should read the Book of Samuel where God doesn't want man to have a nation because they aren't ready for one. Yet, they trade the Almighty who is everlasting for a mortal man to be their king. The mistakes of man is a never ending cycle of sin.

Man needs to get cure first before getting what they want. Want doesn't feed your stomach; Need does.



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