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Offline Gucci K

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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2019, 08:35:15 AM »
Nobody is asking Andrew Yang the most basic question:

"What happens when automation goes belly up?"

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automation is the future.  go to McD and press whatever you like on the menu, you don't have to deal with incompetent cashiers.

what will work with this UBI system...let's use st. paul for example, with a population of 300,000 (assuming everyone is an eligible recipients)...the residents are about to receive $300million (now that's alot of money!)  you already know what's gonna happen...when people receive easy things that come (free money?!), it's easy go (spending), not only that but they know they got some more coming next month. it's like winning the powerball but instead of the lump sum, we've selected the annuity?
smart people are going to establish businesses that will gladly take these free money from the government.  with a business being established, it's going to create jobs, more jobs, equal more taxes, more taxes will keep this cycle of free money going. mind you, we're all getting FREE healthcare and FREE education and we're gonna ask for subsidized housing, while we're at it.  i say let's ride this wave of FREE stuff for a while!  ha!



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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2019, 04:16:22 AM »
I understand that spending will fuel the economy. However, these lazy bums will just ask for more. I say those already receiving welfare don't get the $1k.



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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2019, 11:19:16 AM »
Bob Andy and Steve.

Bob went to school.
Andy and Steve did not.

Bob makes $500.00 a week.
Andy makes $150.00 a week.
Steve makes $300.00 a week.

Give Andy and Steve $100.00 a week extra.

Bob still makes $500.00 a week.
Andy now gets $250.00 a week.
Steve now gets $400.00 a week.

How does this create equality?





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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2019, 05:08:37 PM »
If you read or listen to any of his interviews, he has mentioned that those receiving welfare will have to chose one or the other as they can't have both. As someone has pointed out, I still don't understand how this creates equality when the poor will still be poor and the rich gets an extra 1k for doing.... nothing? Personally, this is a bunch of bs. I'd much rather have a solution for the state of healthcare or education in this country instead of a bunch of old white farts hiding behind god, children, and the flag.

What are you talking about? I bet you don't know that facts show Asians are the highest wage-earners in the country.

If the country is so racist and old, white farts are holding back non-whites then explain the facts!

Reasons why the Hmong are not doing as well as other groups have much to do with our culture and our attitude towards each other. It ain't because of some white dude.



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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2019, 08:43:51 PM »
Gotta wait till all these old fart white man
Die of old age, diseases, and cancer first

Before real change can happen

Wasn’t that long about 60s years ago
They were spraying water hose at the black peoples
And setting the dog lose



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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2019, 03:24:08 PM »
Society will be divided between the able and the unable. The able will look down on those who take free money and who have no character or motivation in life whatsoever.

Bob Andy and Steve.

Bob went to school.
Andy and Steve did not.

Bob makes $500.00 a week.
Andy makes $150.00 a week.
Steve makes $300.00 a week.

Give Andy and Steve $100.00 a week extra.

Bob still makes $500.00 a week.
Andy now gets $250.00 a week.
Steve now gets $400.00 a week.

How does this create equality?



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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2019, 04:19:35 PM »
Society will be divided between the able and the unable. The able will look down on those who take free money and who have no character or motivation in life whatsoever.

It's less about the money and more so the use or application of it.

Imagine instead if we take the money and open up a few free colleges? Loans to help open or sustain small/local businesses?

There are no guarantees that the UBI will be used for the intended purposes. Let's teach people the difference between NEEDs and WANTs first.




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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2019, 04:46:48 PM »
And you all really think shareholders are willing to share their dividends with the rest of America?

Dream on.

Yang is promising money that doesn't belong to him.

Furthermore, it will descend us straight into Communism where decisions are made by big corporations who make up these automation companies. I thought the goal was to fight corporatism, not invite them into our lives and control us.

And those old white farts, while I am no fan of theirs, I ain't trying to live in world run by non-whites who ran their countries in the ground long before old white farts came along.

Every minority complaining about old white farts are strangely not living in their own native countries. 



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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2019, 04:49:18 PM »
If anything, like someone else already mentioned, this will be an easier way for those already comfortable to receive extra cash. Which by the way, who wouldn't want that? I want that. But I know that paving the way for Socialism just isn't worth it.



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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2019, 12:28:48 AM »
BNM,

You are thinking with bias and therefore you seek to confirm your bias.  Have you been taught Null Hypothesis testing?  If you haven't, and you don't have the discipline to conduct NH testing then it's kind of pointless talking about this because you'll only seek to confirm your bias.

Now in my original post, I said I was initially against UBI, but after looking at the trends, I don't see a way out of this mess.  The wealthy don't spend enough and their bank account is the measure of their **** and boobs/butts and so everyone wants a bigger **** and a bigger boob.  The wealthy are causing the economy to stagnant.  When they do spend, it is only to acquire more assets and to inflate asset-class for the average citizen.  For example, investors are why houses are beyond the middle class reach again.  This means when the asset class is no longer returning a sound return, the investors will DUMP (see hype curve), and hurt the average joe networth, and they will RINSE and REPEAT this every market cycle.  In swing trading, you see this hype cycle go up and come down rapidly.  Smart money always beat dumb money...  The average American is dumb money.

So we need to level the playing field and accelerate the spend rate.  I don't care if it is UBI or NIRP, we need to increase the cash conversion cycle and put the capital into the market in such a way not to inflate asset-class.




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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2019, 02:40:16 PM »
I'm for UBI if there are rules in place.  For example, to qualify for x-amount of UBI, a person needs to work x-hours a week.  And, after quitting for x-amount of time, a person no longer qualifies for the UBI if their circumstances for not working are not because of retirement age (which retirement age needs to be 60), physical disability, being laid off, etc.



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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2019, 03:37:45 PM »
I have no idea if this ubi is working or not but if they give me $1000 extra a month, nothing will change about myself.  I'll just have more beer money but hey, the bar economy will thrive right?  I'm down to feeding them too. 




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Re: Universal Basic Income?
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2019, 11:28:28 PM »
People can’t be thinking he’s serious about this, can we?

First, politicians lie all the times just to get votes.

Secondly, Yang has said he’d give each person 1K for one year only. But he said that too fast and it might have passed from one ear to the other...



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