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Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2019, 09:32:11 PM »
You invest in the stock market and you don't understand the simple transaction for the underlying asset value of a stock?  LOL... 

 ;D ;D ;D

Add that to the list too .... ;D:

1. lacks basic decimal skills
2. math is off
3. gives bad investment advice ...
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Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2019, 09:54:53 PM »
HR, stick to the topic bro.  Trying to show you know more about the stock market than I do is a fallacy.  Attack my argument: workers wage is directionally proportionate to the risk they assume on the success/failure of the enterprise, and it is FAIR.  Owner bees will reap the majority.  The Information Bee will get chunks.  Worker bees will get crumbs if ANY.


wisemon,

im not questioning your intellectual. you seem like a really smart guy. but i think kinda of naive too.
one of my favorite clip from the 2016 GOP debate was when trump was telling us how he avoid zero risk losses
from all those fail companies that he did

he just file bankruptcy and everything get wipe out, get to keep his money
rinse and repeated
zero risk
and that people hate trump when other people are doing the same thing


here's the clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNORDy7M2k4




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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2019, 10:03:08 PM »
;D ;D ;D

Add that to the list too .... ;D:

1. lacks basic decimal skills
2. math is off
3. gives bad investment advice ...
.......

what's your beef with me, man?
why you always coming in here with your lies
no wonder, you are a joke here on PH
and no one takes you seriously

i even caught you red handed lying about "not picking spain in the fifa"




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Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2019, 10:04:20 PM »
you know you can see the fences from google map, right????
look , i will even do it for your sorry ass





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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2019, 10:05:46 PM »
and no...
we don't have smog

otherwise my beat up car will not pass
just look at that black exhausted

stop reading thing off the internet

PIC OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN



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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2019, 10:06:55 PM »
LOOK NO FENCES








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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2019, 10:08:21 PM »
RELAX
THERE'S PLENTY OF FOOD

JUST CUT OFF THAT BLACK SPOILAGE PART AND EAT THE REST





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Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2019, 12:52:31 AM »
what's your beef with me, man?

No "beef", just pointing out frauds when I see them and you just happens to be one as you still have not take ownership of your wrongs and learn from it...

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why you always coming in here with your lies

-A member did call you out for your poor lack of basic decimal skills
-A member did say that your math is off
-A member did call you out for given bad investment advice...

Therefore, the only "lies" is from you in regards to this..

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no wonder, you are a joke here on PH
and no one takes you seriously

The "joke here on PH" is you as you claimed to be "the hmong Nostradamus and is always right" but  can't even match a single number during the last big Mega Millions drawing...

And you can cry about how we are "ganging up" on you all you want but you brought those epic failures upon yourself so that's why "no one takes you seriously"...

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i even caught you red handed lying about "not picking spain in the fifa"



If you take that as "pick" then Reporter and I won because France is on that list too...

Not the loser team. "Uraguay" that the fraudulent hmong Nostradamus "pick"... ;D ;D ;D



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Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2019, 12:58:31 AM »
and no...
we don't have smog

See instead of taking ownership of your wrongs and learn from it, you continue your epic fail ways so when you cry about us "ganging up" on you, look in the mirror first...as you brought it upon yourself...

And yep, like in California where some areas require smog, some don't, it's the same for Wisconsin too...FACT!

And oh yeah, same applies for both states too when it comes to "fence"...



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Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2019, 12:11:27 PM »
dude scroll back up
i took pictures for you
i even try to spell "P" for pebhmong

what more proof do you need????

just google map it
since you love to google soo much


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Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2019, 12:58:30 PM »
That's a poor example.  The reason why DJT has never filed for bankruptcy is because DJT asked people to invest and fund his corporate venture.  The corporate venture failed and filed for bankruptcy.  DJT and his investors invested money.  Poor people did not lose money.  DJT did not go bankrupt because he practiced smart money moves -- use other people's money to invest and split the reward with them.

When we examine your example, what we see is DJT doing exactly what I said.  His earning is proportional to the risk he takes in the success/failure of the enterprise.  If working Americans want more earning and income, then they must assume more risk to the success/failure of the enterprise.  Without sharing risk equally, there cannot be sharing income equally.

The left talks about income inequality but leaves out the equation of risk.  In financial risk management and portfolio theory, they call this metric value at risk.  It is precisely the VAR metric that certain people gain much more than others.  Those who assume the majority of the risk for the failure/success of an enterprise should receive the majority of the reward coming from the enterprise.  Those who contribute the most to the success of an enterprise, again, should receive reward proportion to their contribution.  The laborer simply does not take the risk of an owner/shareholder and does not contribute to the same level as the top brass to the success.  I will say this, principal and key technologist are the least rewarded individual in this equation.  This is why you see technologist capable of starting their own venture with venture capitalist when they've proven themselves in an existing model...  Think YOUTUBE here where the technologist converts himself to the top brass and reaps a significant reward.

Yes
I understand what you are saying
What i am saying is these owners are not using their personal wealth
They are using others people money
So they assume zero risk
Because its not their money

Some might use/get rest from bank and investor

With 6 bankruptcy
You would think trump would be a cashier at Walmart




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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2019, 02:54:18 PM »
That's a poor example.  The reason why DJT has never filed for bankruptcy is because DJT asked people to invest and fund his corporate venture.  The corporate venture failed and filed for bankruptcy.  DJT and his investors invested money.  Poor people did not lose money.  DJT did not go bankrupt because he practiced smart money moves -- use other people's money to invest and split the reward with them.

When we examine your example, what we see is DJT doing exactly what I said.  His earning is proportional to the risk he takes in the success/failure of the enterprise.  If working Americans want more earning and income, then they must assume more risk to the success/failure of the enterprise.  Without sharing risk equally, there cannot be sharing income equally.

The left talks about income inequality but leaves out the equation of risk.  In financial risk management and portfolio theory, they call this metric value at risk.  It is precisely the VAR metric that certain people gain much more than others.  Those who assume the majority of the risk for the failure/success of an enterprise should receive the majority of the reward coming from the enterprise.  Those who contribute the most to the success of an enterprise, again, should receive reward proportion to their contribution.  The laborer simply does not take the risk of an owner/shareholder and does not contribute to the same level as the top brass to the success.  I will say this, principal and key technologist are the least rewarded individual in this equation.  This is why you see technologist capable of starting their own venture with venture capitalist when they've proven themselves in an existing model...  Think YOUTUBE here where the technologist converts himself to the top brass and reaps a significant reward.

i disagree with you on the risk part
after the 2008 crashes,
those CEO and top brass got tons of money and bonus
their risk was near zero, they actually profited
it is really written and public knowledge
for crushing the market


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/16b-of-bank-bailout-went-to-execs/
Banks that are getting taxpayer bailouts awarded their top executives nearly $1.6 billion in salaries, bonuses, and other benefits last year, an Associated Press analysis reveals.

The rewards came even at banks where poor results last year foretold the economic crisis that sent them to Washington for a government rescue. Some trimmed their executive compensation due to lagging bank performance, but still forked over multimillion-dollar executive pay packages



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Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2019, 04:42:47 PM »
HR,

I empathize with what you are saying.  Everyone lost money during the deep recession.  My portfolio got crushed but that was temporary.  It wasn't fair too that the executives who are 1% were getting bonuses while the 99% were struggling with food and shelter.  It was a very sad time.  It should never have happened.  The person to blame is Bill Clinton who signed into law the deregulation of banks and globalization of jobs.  This policy generated a massive amount of profit in the short term paid by the long term cost of all taxpayers.  What's important to understand is these type of black swan events are extremely rare and if people start to practice resilient engineering and system thinking in the practice of policymaking, we may be able to avoid these events in the future.

In my opinion, the greatest problem is not income inequality it was the redistribution of wealth from the middle-class to the 1% and the lower 15%.  You are upset because you are in the middle-class like I am.  You felt the 30% loss in income, while the lowest 15% received more government benefit, and the 1% captured 70% of the market profits.  Why is that?  First and foremost, the federal reserve policy on Zero-Interest-Rate Policy (ZIRP) is the direct cause.  This was a poison pill the nation took in order to encourage the stimulation of the market.  The alternative could have been to let the market fall to the ground but what we learned from the great depression is not doing anything and letting the crisis become an existential threat to America safety is pure madness.  The second thing is Obama created these freebie policies to calm the mob without considering the long term cost.  Affordable Care Act is not affordable.

Now if we examine Pew Research, we'll see that 74% of the US tax revenue comes from 1%.  So the bailout was 74% paid by the 1%.  It's really just funny money moving in circles until something even worst happen.  This is why I don't have a long term belief in the stock market but I do have a short term belief in the stock market.  Hence, this is why I advocate for active investing by knowing what you invest in and not passive investing by throwing your money into ETF and SPY.  I am also an advocator for employee owned enterprises because you share the risk and the reward.


i disagree with you on the risk part
after the 2008 crashes,
those CEO and top brass got tons of money and bonus
their risk was near zero, they actually profited
it is really written and public knowledge
for crushing the market


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/16b-of-bank-bailout-went-to-execs/
Banks that are getting taxpayer bailouts awarded their top executives nearly $1.6 billion in salaries, bonuses, and other benefits last year, an Associated Press analysis reveals.

The rewards came even at banks where poor results last year foretold the economic crisis that sent them to Washington for a government rescue. Some trimmed their executive compensation due to lagging bank performance, but still forked over multimillion-dollar executive pay packages



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Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2019, 06:02:59 PM »
dude scroll back up
i took pictures for you
i even try to spell "P" for pebhmong

what more proof do you need????

just google map it
since you love to google soo much


hahah

So your picture of one area is suppose to reflect all of Wisconsin??  ??? :idiot2:

I and other members have already proved you wrong that like in California...s ome homes have fences and some don't just like some areas have smog check, some don't...simple common sense facts...but yeah, I know you don't do facts... ;D



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Re: hmgrock solution to the income inequality in america
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2019, 01:16:53 AM »
hmgRock is showing his UGLY ENVY.

Just work for your damn self, loser.

Stop worrying about how others are making their money and just make sure you don't end up living in a cardboard box under the bridge. 

Just because you broke don't give you license to hate rich people.



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