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The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« on: November 19, 2019, 06:07:19 AM »
The Hmong shooting this past weekend in Fresno that killed 4 is by far the Hmong shooting that has the most news coverage of all Hmong shootings, not just locally, but nationally and internationall y as well. Every major TV network to many major TV shows such as Good Morning America are covering it. I mean ITS REALLY BIG!!!

But why?



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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2019, 09:53:55 AM »
mass shooting

the NRA

ban guns

andrew yang

news like this can not be hidden or for local news channel to deal with.  It needs to be exposed for the betterment of our lives and for our future's generations. 

Premeditated murder and I hope they catch those involved.  Death penalty the least.   



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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2019, 09:59:40 AM »
There's been some reports it was linked to another shooting earlier in the week in that area. Retaliation?

Either way, one Mr. Yang questioned why there was a gang task force put together as a result of this current mass shooting. I mean, if the shoe fits...




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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2019, 11:04:37 AM »
its sad the only time you see us hmong peeps on the news is stupid crap like this



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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2019, 01:19:49 PM »
Incidents like these are indicative of a generation deprived of their culture, identity.  It's not a gun issue.  "It's a you done this to me, I'll pay it back to you" mentality.  For sure this was not a random act.  Someone was in revenge mode.....



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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2019, 01:35:45 PM »
Incidents like these are indicative of a generation deprived of their culture, identity.  It's not a gun issue.  "It's a you done this to me, I'll pay it back to you" mentality.  For sure this was not a random act.  Someone was in revenge mode.....

I'm not sure I can agree with the first part of your statement. Just from my own personal experience, I can't see the correlation.

I suffered through trying to find my own identity, both culturally and individually and I turned out alright.



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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2019, 01:45:31 PM »
If one of your friends was into that Life, would you call them out if you suspected they'd endanger your other friends?
What if instead of friends, it was family?
Is it family/friends above the Law or is it the Law above all else?




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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2019, 05:02:03 PM »
The Hmong shooting this past weekend in Fresno that killed 4 is by far the Hmong shooting that has the most news coverage of all Hmong shootings, not just locally, but nationally and internationall y as well. Every major TV network to many major TV shows such as Good Morning America are covering it. I mean ITS REALLY BIG!!!

But why?

Not really, news are just more readily available and travel faster now for both the providers and viewers...



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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2019, 01:15:50 AM »
I'm not sure I can agree with the first part of your statement. Just from my own personal experience, I can't see the correlation.

I suffered through trying to find my own identity, both culturally and individually and I turned out alright.


My point is that there are too many bad news coming out from our Moob communities around the U.S..  And why is that?  Because we are slowly losing our respect for each other.  We are adopting and taking on the social behaviors around us.  The older generations had our culture, traditions to guide them in life for a long time.  Disagreements were worked out with the clan leaders, relatives, etc.  People worked things out through dialogue.  It wasn't perfect but our tradition and culture brought our Moob people together.  But now I often see our Moob people moving away from our own culture and traditional ways of life.  And we are slowly adopting the culture-less, tradition-less "me, myself and I" attitude of the American society.  The younger generations are throwing traditions, customs, culture away piece by piece.  Take the fights happening at the soccer tournaments.  Take the Moob youths joining gangs.  Take the Moob becoming drug addicts.  Take the homeless Moob people living under bridges.  Take the divorce rates happening within our Moob communities.  These are all examples of a non-traditional non-cultural values we are adopting now.  These types of behavior were unheard of during our parent's generations.  Because we don't care to exercise our tradition, value our culture we learn to take on the behavior and attitudes of this selfish society.  We become what our neighbors are like.  Vangs marrying Vangs.  Yangs marrying Yangs.  Extra marital affairs.  Moob people doing porn movies.  You name it our Moob people has done it, with no shame.  Those are just some examples of throwing traditions out the window.  That sets the trend for other clans to do the same thing. 

Back to the killings.  I'm guessing it's payback due to either someone getting it on with someone else's significant other or the usual drug/money problem.  Nothing makes another man go to these extremes as those afore mentions. 



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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2019, 02:37:28 AM »

My point is that there are too many bad news coming out from our Moob communities around the U.S..  And why is that?  Because we are slowly losing our respect for each other.  We are adopting and taking on the social behaviors around us.  The older generations had our culture, traditions to guide them in life for a long time.  Disagreements were worked out with the clan leaders, relatives, etc.  People worked things out through dialogue.  It wasn't perfect but our tradition and culture brought our Moob people together.  But now I often see our Moob people moving away from our own culture and traditional ways of life.  And we are slowly adopting the culture-less, tradition-less "me, myself and I" attitude of the American society.  The younger generations are throwing traditions, customs, culture away piece by piece.  Take the fights happening at the soccer tournaments.  Take the Moob youths joining gangs.  Take the Moob becoming drug addicts.  Take the homeless Moob people living under bridges.  Take the divorce rates happening within our Moob communities.  These are all examples of a non-traditional non-cultural values we are adopting now.  These types of behavior were unheard of during our parent's generations.  Because we don't care to exercise our tradition, value our culture we learn to take on the behavior and attitudes of this selfish society.  We become what our neighbors are like.  Vangs marrying Vangs.  Yangs marrying Yangs.  Extra marital affairs.  Moob people doing porn movies.  You name it our Moob people has done it, with no shame.  Those are just some examples of throwing traditions out the window.  That sets the trend for other clans to do the same thing. 

Back to the killings.  I'm guessing it's payback due to either someone getting it on with someone else's significant other or the usual drug/money problem.  Nothing makes another man go to these extremes as those afore mentions.

A lot of the behaviors you've described also happened in Laos when I lived there i.e., no respect especially towards women and girls or families with less resources, killing/homicide (including cases that claimed black magic, witchcraft, poison), extra marital affairs especially on the men side because there was really no repercussions as a result of that behavior for married men, being selfish with the "I" attitude, married couple divorcing, blood related family members marrying each other, etc. Perhaps to a lesser degree but it still happened. And even before my time, there were incidents reported from the elders' word of mouth as well as their stories regarding those things. Unfortunately, Hmong doesn't have much of a written recorded history so we couldn't just look up those information but the fact remains, those behaviors have also happened during Hmong people's time in Laos and perhaps even way before that.

Take GVP an example, as respected as he was by the Hmong people, some didn't respect him nor support him back in Laos. Some Hmong have even seen him as a traitor because he worked closely with the Laotian government.

And it's not just the Hmong culture, those behaviors have also happened in many other cultures throughout history and some even have written recorded history about it. Even here in America, those things may have happened to a lesser extent say back in the 1700 and 1800s but it still happened if we look at America's written recorded history.


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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2019, 04:49:58 AM »
A lot of the behaviors you've described also happened in Laos when I lived there i.e., no respect especially towards women and girls or families with less resources, killing/homicide (including cases that claimed black magic, witchcraft, poison), extra marital affairs especially on the men side because there was really no repercussions as a result of that behavior for married men, being selfish with the "I" attitude, married couple divorcing, blood related family members marrying each other, etc. Perhaps to a lesser degree but it still happened. And even before my time, there were incidents reported from the elders' word of mouth as well as their stories regarding those things. Unfortunately, Hmong doesn't have much of a written recorded history so we couldn't just look up those information but the fact remains, those behaviors have also happened during Hmong people's time in Laos and perhaps even way before that.

Take GVP an example, as respected as he was by the Hmong people, some didn't respect him nor support him back in Laos. Some Hmong have even seen him as a traitor because he worked closely with the Laotian government.

And it's not just the Hmong culture, those behaviors have also happened in many other cultures throughout history and some even have written recorded history about it. Even here in America, those things may have happened to a lesser extent say back in the 1700 and 1800s but it still happened if we look at America's written recorded history.

The king as much as I hate these Hmong thugs and violence in America and how fuccked up our Hmong people in America have become our lives here in America are at least still 100 times better than our Hmong people’s lives back in the old days in Laos or today’s Hmong in Laos.



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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2019, 06:21:17 AM »
The country is scared of all these mass shooting
Especially school mass shooting

Too many



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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2019, 05:55:55 PM »
The king as much as I hate these Hmong thugs and violence in America and how fuccked up our Hmong people in America have become our lives here in America are at least still 100 times better than our Hmong people’s lives back in the old days in Laos or today’s Hmong in Laos.

People have asked me several times why I haven't gone back to visit Laos and I told them I've lived in that hell hole for several years and don't plan to go back unless I really have to...



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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2019, 12:32:11 PM »

My point is that there are too many bad news coming out from our Moob communities around the U.S..  And why is that?  Because we are slowly losing our respect for each other.  We are adopting and taking on the social behaviors around us.  The older generations had our culture, traditions to guide them in life for a long time.  Disagreements were worked out with the clan leaders, relatives, etc.  People worked things out through dialogue.  It wasn't perfect but our tradition and culture brought our Moob people together.  But now I often see our Moob people moving away from our own culture and traditional ways of life.  And we are slowly adopting the culture-less, tradition-less "me, myself and I" attitude of the American society.  The younger generations are throwing traditions, customs, culture away piece by piece.  Take the fights happening at the soccer tournaments.  Take the Moob youths joining gangs.  Take the Moob becoming drug addicts.  Take the homeless Moob people living under bridges.  Take the divorce rates happening within our Moob communities.  These are all examples of a non-traditional non-cultural values we are adopting now.  These types of behavior were unheard of during our parent's generations.  Because we don't care to exercise our tradition, value our culture we learn to take on the behavior and attitudes of this selfish society.  We become what our neighbors are like.  Vangs marrying Vangs.  Yangs marrying Yangs.  Extra marital affairs.  Moob people doing porn movies.  You name it our Moob people has done it, with no shame.  Those are just some examples of throwing traditions out the window.  That sets the trend for other clans to do the same thing. 

Back to the killings.  I'm guessing it's payback due to either someone getting it on with someone else's significant other or the usual drug/money problem.  Nothing makes another man go to these extremes as those afore mentions.

I agree totally.  Yes nothing is perfect back in Laos/Thailand, then again nothing is perfect anywhere.  However, its DOUBLE WORST here in America due to, like I keep preaching, "you just another Asian person to me".  My wife who is a supervisor who over looked many Hmong people at her jobs tells me she try to do what is best for Hmong and always look out for her Hmong people MOST of the time.  However she see that most younger Hmong peeps at her jobs don't care much about the "Hmong help Hmong" patriotic mindset, thus resulting in "you are just another Asian person to me".  With a mindset like this with Hmong Millennial's and their children and so forth will make everything you mention above from respect, Yang marrying Yang, divorce rate, etc. tripled in the next 20 years. 

Like you said above, "Because we don't care to exercise our tradition, value our culture we learn to take on the behavior and attitudes of this selfish society.  We become what our neighbors are like".  We lost our TRUE roots, we don't respect our values when others see that it's what define us, we want to be someone else like White, Korean, etc.  The enemy only fear when you are strong as a community, when you are just another Asian and we have no community, the enemy just laugh and this is what exactly happening to us Hmong people in the near future. So sad but I won't live to see all the chaos.....lol.

About GVP.  To be a leader you have to except love and hate equally.  Some of you can't even make your marriage work, you can't even out argue your own kids, you can't even work things out with family, clan members and community.  Most of you will just piss in you pants when having to make life changing decisions that will sacrifice many of your own people for the better good.  Don't get me wrong, I'm sure GVP have its bad too, but look what happening to our Hmong communities since he was gone, EXACTLY!  No more comment. Go watch the movie HERO with Jet Li, there's a strong message in that movie.  Oh wait some of you won't be able to decode the message either......GO D HELP US, lol.


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Re: The Hmong shooting in Fresno this past weekend that killed 4
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2019, 03:00:02 PM »
I don't think I would attribute the Fresno shooting to a lack of culture and identity.  I would attribute the Fresno shooting to people wanting revenge.  If the shooting was gang related, and it sounds like it was, gang activity is still not a result of lack of culture or identity.  How people get into gangs is a whole other topic.



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