my church experience..... from an atheist point of view (i'm a atheist)

[hmgROCK]

if we were to do the hmong wedding by the rules and book
we would be there for days, maybe a whole week

because they start singing zaj tshoob before they even get inside the door

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSx81SSkVaM

[theking]

i won't listen to lexicon

Wait, didn't you just put words in his mouth again and lied that he said, my pic was "not real"?? 

[theking]

The FRAUD said:

hmong wedding is more ceremony
i won't call it religious

hmong shaman people ain't that really religious at all

AND GOT CAUGHT RED HANDED BY ANOTHER PH MEMBER:

Puahahaha.

I'm no expert but let me dispel some lies, PL. Don't listen to Rock, because his views tend to be severely biased.

There's animal sacrifice.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hmong+shaman+ritual <--- videos pertaining to rituals performed by Shamans.
Some similar elements to Lao practices, not sure of significance; the wrist tying ceremony. Blessings? Someone else will have to clarify either practices.

Again, I'm no expert, but he's either downplaying elements to make Christians look extreme OR, he's ignorance of both practices.

CLASSIC...

[ProudLao]

hmong wedding is more ceremony
i won't call it religious

hmong shaman people ain't that really religious at all
meaning they ain't that crazy.... like the end of the world and etc...
the next coming of jesus.... crusader stuff

a lot of the hmong shaman people, they might do a party once per year
that's it
some haven't done in years

there's no weekly church to attend
and etc....
no teaching...
just word of mouth from the parents

Isn’t this the definition of it?

Definition of shamanism. : a religion practiced by indigenous peoples of far northern Europe and Siberia that is characterized by belief in an unseen world of gods, demons, and ancestral spirits responsive only to the shamans also : any similar religion.

[ProudLao]

Puahahaha.

I'm no expert but let me dispel some lies, PL. Don't listen to Rock, because his views tend to be severely biased.

There's animal sacrifice.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hmong+shaman+ritual <--- videos pertaining to rituals performed by Shamans.
Some similar elements to Lao practices, not sure of significance; the wrist tying ceremony. Blessings? Someone else will have to clarify either practices.

Again, I'm no expert, but he's either downplaying elements to make Christians look extreme OR, he's ignorance of both practices.

Thanks for sharing. I have always thought it was religious. The calling of spirits and the string ceremonial are as much part of our religious belief system as anyone who practices.

[theking]

Isn’t this the definition of it?

Definition of shamanism. : a religion practiced by indigenous peoples of far northern Europe and Siberia that is characterized by belief in an unseen world of gods, demons, and ancestral spirits responsive only to the shamans also : any similar religion.

HOLY SHINTO!!!

CAUGHT RED HANDED (AGAIN) BY ANOTHER PH MEMBER...

[theking]

Well, now you know why I said, his (made up) wife is his hand...

[ProudLao]

Well there goes another FAIL but NOT surprised...

He ignorantly saidd: "hmong wedding is more ceremony
i won't call it religious

hmong shaman people ain't that really religious at all"

...Even though the rituals are there...

TOLD YA, HIS (made up) WIFE IS HIS HAND..

I’ve always considered any type of a ritual is part of the religion.

[hmgROCK]

I’ve always considered any type of a ritual is part of the religion.

lol

these two clown don't even go help kill the animal
they admit it themselves, they only show up to eat

why don't you ask me???
the one that is actually doing the killing

trust me.... there's no ritual involve when i kill the cow/pig
things change man...
we kill the cow on friday.... than the shaman show up the next day at the house to do his thing
eat, drink, and party

if there a ritual, than the shaman need to be there with us when we butcher the cow
sadly, alot of them are not

p=pebhmong so you know im legit

PIC OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
SEELING BELIEVING

[dogmai]

hmong wedding
but meeka people don't recognized it

still have to go to the court house and get marry in front of a judge

There's ceremonial marriage and governmental legality marriage.

[theking]

I like how he's running SCARE now that we caught him red handed for lying or just being ignorant from being locked up too long in his "mommy's basement"..

So SCARE, he doesn't eve reference his own (made up) wedding anymore and tries to change the subject as well as make more lies...digging his hole even deeper...LOVE IT!!!

[hmgROCK]

There's ceremonial marriage and governmental legality marriage.

yeah
these people don't know jack
they just old
don't even know hmong custom

i doubt they can even kill a chicken

[hmgROCK]

the reason why we kill the cow on friday
is because

THEY (BUTCHER PLACE)  MIGHT BE CLOSE TOMORROW SATURDAY
that's the real reason why

LOLzer

 

[theking]

I like how he's running SCARE now that we caught him red handed for lying or just being ignorant from being locked up too long in his "mommy's basement"..

So SCARE, he doesn't eve reference his own (made up) wedding anymore and tries to change the subject as well as make more lies...digging his hole even deeper...LOVE IT!!!

"hmong shaman people ain't that really religious at all" ...

[lexicon]

If I had a penny for every lie told by hmgRock, I'd be able to make daily $20k+ gains like he was able to.

I mean, it's not like I was dreaming when I spent all those Saturday mornings at the slaughterhouse s waiting for my pig or chicken(s) right?

I understand speaking in hyperboles but, this, this is shadowball territory you're heading into.